Follow Up Thoughts on Raw Babies, Raw While Pregnant or Breastfeeding : Exclusive Renegade Health Article

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After Friday’s article (here), we got a lot of questions, support and some criticism about our decision to not eat all raw or even vegan during Annmarie’s pregnancy.

Today, I want to address a few of them to assist those with questions, highlight some good points and talk about the criticism.

Let’s not waste any time here, since there’s a bunch…

“I’m gone, you’re not vegan and you shouldn’t call yourself raw…”

Ok, I get it. You’re disappointed.

I was disappointed when I had to stop being vegan for health reasons too. I wanted it to work. It wasn’t.

And we definitely don’t call ourselves raw. Haven’t in years. We’ve even removed it from the browser title on the blog. We are and will always be Renegade Health. Not RAW-negade Health — which a commenter cleverly pointed out.

I have to admit, it’s been only two weeks since we’ve had Hudson and I’ve been increasingly more and more dismissive of silly criticism like this.

Something switched on in me that just cut out a bunch of extraneous things like this.

I just don’t have the time to argue — and when I do — I get stressed out and don’t feel great. When I don’t feel great, I don’t have time to be with Ann, my son, my brother and family.

So, I think I’m done with it.

It’s a waste of everyone’s time — arguing.

No mas. (No more in Spanish.)

So if you’re looking for an argument, you might as well not even post your angry comments on the blog. I’m not engaging.

If I feel that anxiety/stress/arguing-energy welling up inside of me, I’m going to stop writing and comment on something else.

“So-and-so’s raw or vegan baby looks healthy…”

Let’s face it, most babies look healthy.

So, yes, so-and-so’s raw or vegan baby probably does look healthy. Look at all the mom’s who eat a Standard American Diet and then look at their babies… many of them look healthy.

Looking at a baby is not a great standard for determining if a diet works or not during pregnancy.

While it may be an example that it’s possible (end result = baby is not always success), it does not instantly make it safe.

I’ve even said it in the first post… I assume that Hudson is healthy, but that won’t be determined until he is much older. Since my view of good health is the full package — from bookend to bookend. How did everything work out?

Will he be like my grandfather who’s almost 94 and is on no pharmaceutical drugs? Or will he be like my uncle who died when he was 60 from congestive heart failure.

Who knows?

Same family. Different results.

You can’t judge a diet on the successful results of a baby that is 1, 2, or even 5 years old — but you can judge its ineffectiveness if there are very strange and unusual health issues.

While like I said, here, I’ve observed.

“Vegan babies can be healthy, why did you say they weren’t?”

I actually didn’t.

I was mainly referring to raw, vegan babies.

It’s easier to have a healthy vegan baby than a healthy raw baby. I’m still concerned about brain development for some — since the baby is developed in mom’s belly and mom might be deficient.

So moms, if you’re having a vegan baby, be sure to test your omega-3 levels. It will help you make a wise choice for your baby’s future.

Here’s a great example of vegan babies raised seemingly healthy. Keep in mind, Dr. Ritamarie is a an EXPERT in human nutrition. A geek’s geek. She has the clinical knowledge to really drill down into what works and what doesn’t.

If you aren’t so skilled in diet and nutrition, you should find someone like her, or cover your bases by adjusting your diet.

No judgement ever. Food “religions” are not healthy, in my opinion.

I eat a “mostly raw” vegan diet that consists of pounds and pounds of vegetables each day. Some of the veggies are cooked on some days, some days it’s all raw.

I raised 2 vegan babies, with one exception.

My babies were adopted at birth, and their prenatal environment was SAD plus smoking!

I fed them a home made formula in lieu of breast milk, which consisted of whey protein,flax oil, dha and other nutrients made to be as close to breast milk as possible (the recipes I used are on my website in a book called nut milk formulas)

At 4-6 months they began to eat fruits and veggies and I began to make the “formula” using vegetable juice and nuts and seeds.

We avoided all grains until they were 18 months old.

Their diets were high in raw food, but also included lots of lightly steamed vegetables. At 7 months, my first born ate more broccoli at thanksgiving dinner than anyone else in the room except for me.

Their diets have evolved over the years based on what they gravitate towards and hat they feel most energized from.

They were never vaccinated, except for whatever they give in the hospital right after birth.

Both had difficult pregnancies and births. One was a c-section, the other had the cord triple wrapped around his neck and was in ICV for 48 hours on IV antibiotics.

While neither had a good start nor good genetics. Their birth siblings are all sickly and overweight. Their birth parents on a plethora of medications and are not healthy. Both my boys are both strapping, muscular, athletic boys now, at age 14 and 18. Other than occasional colds they have never been sick. This I believe is a testament to their outstanding nutrition and a loving home.

I supplemented both with B12 (ones a month or so) DHA and vitamin C as needed to support immune system. Neither has ever been on a medication of any type, except for the oldest at birth.

Even though I raised them on a whole foods vegan diet, high in greens and raw foods, I did not do it dogmatically. Had there been evidence of deficiency or failure to thrive, I would have been looking at what needed to be changed to feed them optimally.

I originally thought I would raise them on all raw but discovered early on that they needed and wanted more so we included cooked vegetables –lots—and legumes and whole non gluten grains.

I approach my patients similarly to how I approach my kids.

My job is to guide them to the most appropriate diet for them, not to adhere to a food religion.

So there you have it… the story of 2 vegan since birth very healthy and hearty young men. They are not scrawny, they are muscular ans strong. They had teeth issues with their baby teeth (I believe baby teeth issues are a prenatal issue) and have perfect teeth now. The only fillings they had were in their baby teeth.

Given they didn’t come from high intelligence parents, they are amazingly intelligent. My older son starts college soon, and was awarded several scholarships.

I believe their nutrition has helped them overcome genetic tendencies.

So Kevin and Anne Marie, you will make choices for Hudson based on what you believe is right and by how he is developing and I know you will test and reassess and change and tweak as needed.

I wish you the best,

Everyone else, know that there is no one right way to eat that is perfect for all.

Start somewhere, know how to assess how it’s working for you and adjust as needed. This is what I teach in my coaching programs, the latest and most comprehensive being

Many blessings to Hudson. He is truly lucky to have such amazing parents. The time does fly by. I get teary eyed thinking that my 18 year old who will be living in another city for the next four years was just a little newborn “only yesterday”

Much love

Dr. Ritamarie

What fish oil did you choose?

We used a super-critical carbon dioxide extraction that limits oxidation. The source was also high EPA/DHA. There are also no toxins detected in the material data sheets.

This was recommended by Dr. Williams and we’ll be announcing a short run of of it in August or September. He’s seen some amazing things come through his clinical work with this product and we’ll let you know when it’s ready.

“I just heard dr. william wong (naturopath, sex and exercise expert) say that we can’t make hormones if our cholesterol is under 180.”

The lower the cholesterol, the less likely we are to make these sex hormones, yes. Your body does make its own cholesterol, but sometimes it’s used for emergency repair type use when there is little — leaving less for sex hormone production.

My cholesterol, when I was raw and vegan, was 110. My sex hormones were also very low.

“The meat industry is incredibly cruel and unsustainable for our planet. I believe there is much evidence that humans can grow and thrive on a vegetarian diet.”

I believe that the meat industry is incredibly cruel and unsustainable for our planet.

I don’t know if the vegetarian diet for everyone is the solution.

I think, first and foremost, all vegetarians, conscious meat eaters, vegans and raw foodies need to fight against factory farming.

It’s an easy target.

No one wants to see animals treated like they are in these animal prison camps.

“What about a raw omnivore diet, including raw fish and maybe cured meats, unpasteurized dairy, as well as fermented foods? Raw eggs or just with runny yolks… What about high raw omnivore with small amounts cooked food?”

We were warned about raw fish and raw eggs while pregnant. I’m sure there’s evidence that show it’s dangerous and I’m sure there’s evidence that counters that as well.

Luckily, Annmarie doesn’t like either, so it was a non-issue for us.

If you’re considering raw eggs while pregnant, I would read up on both sides and make a decision erring on more cautious than not.

Please remember, healthy babies come from those who aren’t eating as healthy as you or I. So the body is smart enough to use what is needed to nourish the fetus even if mom is off her strict “whatever” diet.

This doesn’t give you permission to eat Ho-ho’s everyday, but it does allow you to relax, enjoy your pregnancy and prepare for a truly life-changing event.

“Have you read the book, The Happiest Baby on the Block by Dr. Harvey Karp?”



“Can I ask, which prenatal did you all use, if any?”

Annmarie used a prenatal from Innate. She also used one from New Chapter, but since they were bought by Proctor & Gamble she will not buy more from them.

Your question of the day: Do you think arguing is healthy?

Live Awesome!

Kevin Gianni

Kevin Gianni is a health author, activist and blogger. He started seriously researching personal and preventative natural health therapies in 2002 when he was struck with the reality that cancer ran deep in his family and if he didn’t change the way he was living — he might go down that same path. Since then, he’s written and edited 6 books on the subject of natural health, diet and fitness. During this time, he’s constantly been humbled by what experts claim they know and what actually is true. This has led him to experiment with many diets and protocols — including vegan, raw food, fasting, medical treatments and more — to find out what is myth and what really works in the real world.

Kevin has also traveled around the world searching for the best protocols, foods, medicines and clinics around and bringing them to the readers of his blog — which is one of the most widely read natural health blogs in the world with hundreds of thousands of visitors a month from over 150 countries around the world.

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