Renegade Health Radio: Staying Social While Eating a Healthy Diet

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Staying Social While Eating a Healthy Diet

Today we cover the important topic of maintaining a healthy social life while eating a diet that may be different from everybody else’s. In this podcast:

  • How Kevin and Fred used to be food “nazis” and what made them switch to a more balanced life (including better social interactions).
  • Why there’s more to life than food, and why raw foodists get it all wrong.
  • Why traveling as a raw foodist or a vegan can be extremely difficult, and Fred’s philosophy on how to make it work.
  • Kevin’s tricks for staying healthy while going on business trips and what to eat to avoid falling asleep during conferences.
  • When does saying “no” to anything outside of your normal diet during a trip make sense?
  • What tools Fred uses to cook healthy foods while traveling.
  • How stressing out about eating healthy food actually makes you unhealthy.
  • Why some people find it easy to to maintain a healthy diet and others struggle: it has to do with our personality types.
  • How to make your personality type work for you in order to succeed with your diet.

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Kevin: Renegade Health Radio. This is Kevin Gianni with Frederic Patenaude.

Fredric: Frederic Patenaude [“is with you” in the French Language].

Kevin: I wish that you would speak like that the whole time. No one—well some people would understand. I’m sure that we have a French audience out there, French Canadian.

Fredric: By the way—yes. But I don’t actually speak like that when I speak in French. I just created my cliché French voice.

Kevin: Oh, that’s like a French, French…kind of like a French accent kind of thing?

Fredric: Yes, like a stereotype French accent.

Kevin: Oh, man. Socially awkward, I imagine.

Fredric: Socially, socially…socially weird health stuff is going to be the topic I think today, right?

Kevin: Well look at that! It all kind of fits in. Everything happens at the right time for the right reasons and the right order.

Fredric: That was so not a good link between what I said and the topic today, Kevin.

Kevin: [Laughs.] Let’s get into it. We’re talking about eating socially—eating healthy socially, today. I know that you’ve been there because Fred and I have. And we have some stories to share with you about kind of awkward social eating when it comes to health.

And so what we want to kind of accomplish at the end of this podcast today is to get you real comfortable with where you are with your healthy eating and where you are socially, too. Because sometimes you can go way too far, way too deep down this rabbit hole with healthy eating, and you end up sitting at home alone eating on a…chewing on a leaf of lettuce and wondering what happened to all your friends and what happened to all your energy and all your life force, right? That social connection that’s so important if you read The Blue Zones or if you read other books. So we want to make sure that you don’t end up being that person who’s locked up in a raw food retreat in your room because you can’t eat anything raw food, just because all you eat is lettuce.

Fredric: I think we’ve been there. But there’s also the part of being social only in a certain circle. Like when I was a raw foodist, Kevin, I knew a lot of people, and I would hang out and have a social life. But it would…everything would revolve around the raw food thing, right?

Kevin: Yeah.

Fredric: And it was just tiresome because some people are new at it, and they just take it way more seriously than you do after a couple of years. Or they…and it just always goes back to food and food, and just, “What did you eat yesterday? And I got these mangoes at the farmer’s market.” And just always talking about this constantly. It’s just…I think there are other topics in life and other friends you can have. So yeah, that’s also a part of it.

Kevin: We were…when we were buzzing around in the RV, we’d be staying with some amazing people, and we’d have talks, and then usually after the talks, we’d hang out with some of the people that were at the talk or friends of friends and that sort of thing. And there was one point, maybe about a year and a half into the trip, I turned to Annmarie, and I said, “You know what, I don’t want to talk about food anymore.”

And she said, “What do you mean?”

I said, “Every time we sit after talks or when we’re visiting, we’re always talking about food. It’s always about the food. There’s…we don’t about anything else.”

And there were a few exceptions of people that we’re still friends with now, like Rene and Allan, who we found that they played tennis. And so we would go and play tennis. We talked tennis. And it was so relieving to talk tennis, because it was just not about food.

And so I said to AnnMarie, “I should just record this conversation, at least my side of it, and then I would just play it and just kind of leave the room so I didn’t have to do this.”

And obviously that’s a joke, but that’s how it felt. There’s…I think like-minded people like to be together, but there’s a point where the food conversation just becomes really, really tiresome. And I’m sure some of you out there who are listening to this know about that. And you’re like, “Wow, thank you for finally mentioning this, because it happens to me all the time.”

Fredric: Yeah. And did you find…when was the switch for you, Kevin? That…when you said, “That’s it?” Was the social reason part of it, that you said, “I’m not going to be a raw foodist anymore?” I mean, I know you had your health reasons, but was the social aspect a big part of it too?

Kevin: Well, I can tell you a story. So I was in New York with two friends that you guys might know—Nick Polizzi who is documentary producer of The Sacred Science, and then Nick Ortner, who is the CEO and founder of The Tapping—co-founder of The Tapping Solution. And we were actually…I was in the beginning of “The Tapping Solution.” Nick Ortner produced a documentary as well that Nick Polizzi worked on. And I worked on that in the beginning just a little bit. And we were filming in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. And we were kind of finishing up with filming and it was time to go get something to eat, and this was when I was a straight, strict, raw foodist. And I was just like, “Well, we have to go to a raw food restaurant.”

And they were…they said, “No, we don’t really all want to go to a raw food restaurant.” There’s probably ten people total. I’m including Annmarie and including Nick’s sister and a few other people. So ten people total, and suddenly I’m the guy that’s being the pain in the ass. And so I’m the one who wants to go to this raw food restaurant in Manhattan. And so I’m getting frustrated and pissed because they don’t respect my food, kind of, restraints. And then they’re getting pissed because I’m being a total jerk about it.

And what happened was finally it came to push and shove. Not push and shove literally, but it was like, “Hey, all right, fine. We’re going to this raw food restaurant. And you guys go wherever you want.”

And they all went and had a great time. And we went to a raw food restaurant and I got a stomachache. And pretty much…it was pretty much an awful experience. And I kind of juxtapose that with another time when we were in the city and it was snowing with Annmarie’s…two of Annmarie’s friends from college. And we’d kind of planned to go to a raw food restaurant because I was…we just kind of wanted to go just because we still kind of had that mindset in terms of healthy eating. And we just didn’t…we went to the raw food restaurant. And none of the girls, the two girls who were there, wanted to eat there.

And so I said, “You know what? I know a healthy Indian restaurant around the corner. Why don’t we try that?” And so we went to the healthy Indian restaurant. I was eating cooked food, cooked vegan food at that time. I was able to order something. It was great. Everyone had a great time. No one was upset at anyone. And that was like the other New York City raw food experience. And believe me, that second experience was so much better.

And I look back now, and I would have much rather gone to any restaurant that my two best friends in the world went to that day at Prospect Park, too, just because it’s…there’s more to it than just food. And I’m sure that’s probably where we’re going now. But maybe, Fred, you have a similar experience. Or you can share something that kind of hit you and made you realize that maybe you were doing it all wrong.

Fredric: Yeah. I think…I mean, I had my raw food days where I did a lot of the stuff that you described. I mean, I can tell you a dozen stories similar to that one where I was kind of the pain in the ass for just wanting a certain type of food, which was not necessarily easy to make, not obvious to people in restaurants and the kitchen staff and so on. But I think for me the, sort of the breakthrough experience was when I was traveling around the world with my ex-wife. And then we just decided we’re going to be a hundred percent vegan the whole time or try to be, and try to be mostly raw and so on.

And it was just not fun for many of the locations we visited because food is such a big part of the culture where you visit. And you kind of want to be part of it, not just be in your hotel room eating your salad that you made in a Tupperware container. I mean, you want to get out there and experience. So at some point I said, “You know what? I’m just going to try some of the local foods.” And I’m not saying like just, that I went all out and ate everything, which could have been a lot of fun, too. I almost regretted not doing that! But I just wanted to experience a little bit of the local cuisine and local experiences and just staying with people.

And I’ve done it since. And I’ve done it in different trips. And every time I tried to be a raw foodist, a hundred percent raw foodist on a trip, or even a hundred percent vegan, it was just such a horrible experience. I mean, I remember going to Mexico once on my own for a diving trip. And I just wanted so badly to just go back on a raw food diet back then. And it’s just this whole trip was just a bad experience because I was not meeting people. I was not really having fun. It was just complicated. I wanted to…on the diving trips, wanted to make sure everything was done perfectly.

And I think now the way I approach it is when I travel, I eat whatever I want, but I gravitate towards the healthier foods, more fruit, etcetera, because it’s easier. And I think overall, I mean, I’m healthier during my trips now than before because…I don’t think it’s even just the psychological, but just the choices that you make end up being healthier overall. Because otherwise you kind of tend to be frustrated, and later you binge on something, and it’s just kind of a nasty cycle.

So I don’t think traveling as a raw foodist is a great experience, or traveling with such a huge dietary restriction. For me, that’s…I love to travel. So that’s a rule I have now is when I travel I’m not putting so many restrictions on myself for food. Because a trip is not a long trip, right? So you can derogate a little bit from your regular diet, and when you come back, you go back to it. And then you walk a lot. And you don’t eat necessarily that much food. So yes, that’s kind of my philosophy now.

Kevin: Well, it depends on the type of travel, too. I mean, most of the travel that you and I do are kind of like conferences, at least for me. And so that’s a different kind of travel than like going on a cruise. But if you go on a cruise or something like that, I mean, there’s always huge buffet plates of fruit and salad. And so that’s not really something that I’d be too concerned about.

But for me, if I don’t travel too much, which I’m kind of doing this year—I’ve literally been away…I’m going to be away for the next five out of four…four out of five weeks, which is kind of craziness. So I can’t usually do this. But what I do, if I go to conferences, little health conferences or things like that, sometimes the food is good, so that’s not a problem. I don’t have to worry about that. Sometimes the people who organized it, who have organized it, put together a really nice spread of lunch and organic foods and things like that.

But I generally tend to do something similar, Fred, is I tend to go toward fruits as well. So I’ll either rent a car or get a cab and I’ll go to the Whole Foods or Coop, local Coop, and I’ll buy a bunch of fruit. And I’ll almost…there’ll be…if I’m gone for three or four days, there’s at least one day where I’ll kind of do almost just a fruit fast, where I’ll just have, just all different types of fruits for one day. And usually in the mornings, I’ll have fruit. And then lunch, I’ll have fruit. And then maybe I’ll have dinner. And so that’s kind of how I actually…I keep my mind sharp doing that as well during some of these conferences, because you still want energy. You don’t want to fall asleep in the room. Sometimes the room is so cold you’ve got to wear sweaters and things like that, because they don’t want you to fall asleep. But I think if everyone would kind of just eat this kind of light fruit kind of way, you could have the room warm. And you still wouldn’t fall asleep because everyone still has a bunch of energy.

So I kind of look at those short trips as almost cleansing opportunities to be able to not only cleanse my body, but actually cleanse my mind so I’m not having too much heavy food during the time when my mind needs to be soaking things in. And that’s a great way to go about it, particularly if you don’t have time to travel to some of these restaurants, these healthy restaurants that you’re looking at that are outside of town. Or maybe the town doesn’t even have one. Or in most cases, most raw food restaurants really aren’t that good anyway. So it’s like you’ve got to—you go to one, you’re like, “Wow, I would have much rather gone to a fancy restaurant and just got a nice salad than kind of this nut bomb that I hear.” So those are just some travel tips that I have.

Fredric: Those are good. I mean you described more business travel trips, right?

Kevin: Yeah.

Fredric: Do you remember going on a leisure travel trip where you tried to control your eating a little bit, or on a vacation?

Kevin: Leisure?

Fredric: Yeah. You haven’t done that in a while.

Kevin: [Laughs.} Let me think in terms of vacation. I mean, if we’re going to go on vacation, I do make sure that there’s…because then, because now I have the choice, right? So if we’re going on a vacation, then I’m making sure there’s something there. And so if we’re going to go on vacation, we’re booking somewhere in a place where we know there’s good food.

Like we went to Sedona recently. We went to ChocolaTree. That was great. There’s another restaurant there, I forget the name of it, but it’s new. So we know that if we’re going to go to Sedona, we’re going to go there. We ended up going to Vegas with Annmarie’s family, but I know healthy places in Vegas, too, so we went to those places. So yes, we do make sure that we go to places where there is healthy food so we can make it happen.

And then when we’re with the family, we have our stash of stuff at the house that we’re staying at or the hotel. And then if we go out to dinner, we don’t interfere anymore. We used to. We don’t really interfere anymore. We just use Yelp to find the highest rated restaurants. And we find that generally you go to a high rated restaurant, you’re going to have higher quality food and higher quality produce. And you’re usually able to find something that fits your dietary needs and something that fits everyone’s needs in particular, as well.

Fredric: When I travel, I kind of do like you’re describing. Now I try to control some things.

Kevin: Yeah.

Fredric: I’ll bring some foods with me. I’ll even make some foods in my hotel room. But I don’t do just that all the time, right? I want to get out there and experience the local culture if it’s a trip like that. Or if I’m visiting somebody, then…for example, I’m visiting a friend next week in Sweden. Everybody has friends in Sweden, right? But it’s a high school friend, and I haven’t seen him in many years. So it’s a trip that I organized. So I’m going to go there and visit his family and so on.

And he asked me, “Should I make anything special for you or anything raw?” And I remember the last time we…I visited him, I was raw. So it was very complicated and kind of awkward to get those dietary requirements met. So this time I told him, “You know, just make whatever you want and I’m going to be okay with that.”

Now the thing is, let’s say I had a…I was dealing with heart disease or something, I probably would not have said that. If you’re trying to overcome health problems, then you want to go more on the controlling, in the environment, direction. But if it’s…for me it’s two days, three days, out of my trip. So even if I eat some stuff that I don’t normally eat there, it’s not going to be a big deal. Another thing that I’m doing now is I’m traveling with a travel cooker, which is really cool. It’s this thing. It’s like a rice cooker, but it’s like a mini rice cooker right? It’s like the tiniest rice cooker you can imagine. So I found it, and I thought I was just so cute and interesting. And I’ve been using it. And you can heat up all kinds of things in there. You can heat up like beans. You can cook rice. You can cook all kinds of things. So—

Kevin: How big is it?

Fredric: Well, it fits a cup and a half of dry rice and then plus the water to cook it.

Kevin: Okay.

Fredric: So it makes a decent amount. You can cook one-pot meals. You can re-heat stuff. You can—

Kevin: What’s the size of it, though? Like a volleyball? Or—

Fredric: It’s about…yeah. It’s about the size of a…well, imagine like, I don’t know. Well in the box I guess, it takes, it’s maybe, well, it’s less than a cubic foot I would say.

Kevin: Okay.

Fredric: So it’s less than that.

Kevin: Okay.

Fredric: It’s pretty small.

Kevin: Oh, cool.

Fredric: So yeah, I’m carrying that, and I’ve been using it on a couple trips, like making oatmeal, making a few basic things. So I’m going to see like…what I want to do is I want to not be eating out at the restaurant all the time during my trip. So I’m going to use it for some of the meals. But I’m still going to go out to eat because I want to experience a little cool stuff as well.

So that’s how I do it. And I bring also like a Tupperware container, a spoon, a spork. It’s like a spoon that’s a fork and that’s also a knife a little bit. So I’ve got one of those. It’s pretty cool. And yeah, so that’s pretty much what I bring. And I find I’ll buy some fruits. I’ll prepare some fruits in my room. I’ll take that with me on a day trip. And so I control some of the food but not all of the food.

And when I’m eating out, when people invite me at their place, at the moment, I don’t ask for anything special anymore. But I happen to have friends that don’t really make super unhealthy foods. So it’s not like they’ll make a giant pizza with extra, extra cheese. And that’s not going to happen. So I know, in at least in my environment, that the food is going to be pretty healthy even if it’s not a hundred percent vegan or something. So I don’t control that. And when I eat at home, then I control everything, of course, and then I eat healthy foods all the time here. So that’s kind of how I manage my social life and my health at the same time. That’s sort of my strategy.

Kevin: Yeah. We used to actually bring our Vitamix with us before Hudson was born. And I actually think it’s a good idea because smoothies are one of the things that I absolutely love in the morning. And I haven’t used the Magic Bullet or some of these other blenders out there. And I’m sure they’re a lot easier to carry than the Vitamix. But if you’re going for a couple of weeks, maybe you can bring something like the Vitamix. And you’re willing to carry it on or willing to pack it in a separate bag. It is one of those tools.

We actually ended up going to this place in Las Vegas and we rented a house with the family. And they had this Oster blender. And it’s just not the same. I mean, I would have much rather had the Vitamix. It took longer to blend. It wasn’t as smooth. The smoothie didn’t taste as good. Probably not as easily, the nutrients probably weren’t as easily accessible, even though it doesn’t really matter that much because you’re still eating a big old smoothie. So the Vitamix kind of trick is something for crazies like you and me. Maybe that’s something you could do.

But Fred, I wanted to talk a little bit about the stress around food and the personality type, that is, kind of like the personality types that this works for and the personality types that it doesn’t work for. So I’m going to hit on the stress around food. And I remember you told me something about personality type and food that I want to talk about, too.

So first up: stress around food. I mean, I can’t…the best way I think I can describe this is, is that if you’re stressing out about your food, think about how you’re feeling, like you’re physically feeling if you’re stressing out about food. You get anxious. Sometimes your palms sweat. Sometimes you get this kind of “zap” feeling inside. I will tell you this: even if you have a non-organic piece of lettuce or if you have a piece of meat that maybe is vegetarian fed, so fed with corn, or if you have X, Y or Z that’s not in your organic wheelhouse in terms of your eating, that feeling that stress gives you is on the short-term is so much more harmful.

There’re studies out there. I don’t have access to them right now, but I’m sure I can pull some up and talk about them in a future podcast. There’s going to be some in my book. The amount of stress that the neurosis around food is causing you is causing your body harm, much more harm than it would if you had an occasional non-organic piece of lettuce or non-organic piece of meat. So just check that off on your list. Know that that’s the truth. Because those stress hormones, particularly if you’re stressing out like I used to stress out about food, after… actually, not even after I ate my meal. During my meal, I’d be thinking about what I was going to get for my next meal. And I know some of you out there are doing that right now. Think about that stress. Think about the time that’s spent in your head thinking about that sort of stuff. Get out. Experience the world. Be around people. Enjoy your life. That’s really important.

And then the second thing is the personality type. And Fred, I’m going to let you kind of run with that, because I know that you said something interesting. Dr. Lisle was talking about different personality types and different types of foods and different regimens, right?

Fredric: Yeah, because…and thanks for mentioning the stress around food. I mean, just I want to just add my little bit here. I think people tend to stress way too much around little details, right? Like you mentioned. And if you just let it go a little bit and not try to control it all the time? I mean, it’s what matters…what you do most of the time that really matters. And once you’ve found a good system that works, it should kind of run on its own, right? You’re making the same meals over and over. And you have a strategy for eating out. So I think part of removing the stress just means deciding in advance. What’s going to be your strategy when you eat out? I have my strategy. But don’t be stressing about it then. You need to decide in advance so then it’s clear. “Oh yeah, when I go to a restaurant this is what I order in.” Boom, that’s it.

Kevin: Yeah. And you can’t…I mean, you can’t stress out about eating a non-organic piece of kale and not exercise for a full month. You know what I mean? That’s like dealing…that’s like focusing in the wrong direction. You know what I mean? That’s like looking at the small details, like you said, and not looking at the big elephant in the room, is the fact that you haven’t done anything in a month. You haven’t moved your body, which is so much more detoxifying, so much more beneficial, so much more health-providing than whether or not you’re going to eat a piece of organic kale or not.

Fredric: And now for the personality types. Why do some people find it easier to stick with a diet? And why do some people find it very difficult? Then they end up going from one diet to another. And it goes back to your personality. Not the personality that you get from your environment or growing up. This is your inner personality, the stuff that’s truly genetic inside of you that you can’t change, really. You just have to find ways around it.

So that was a lecture, like you mentioned, Kevin, by a doctor Doug Lisle, who’s an evolutionary psychologist involved in the health movement. And I thought it was really interesting, because his lecture was called “The Perfect Personality,” I think it was. So it’s about who has that perfect personality to be perfect all the time with their diet.

So the five personalities, the traits that you can have, you can be on one end or another. So I’m going to just run through them quickly.

  1. Openness to new experiences, so this is how you’re a curious or creative kind of person. So a person that’s very open is kind of the person, like you Kevin or like I am. We always want to try new stuff, right?
  2. Conscientiousness, it’s how essentially diligent you are, how dependable, organized, punctual and so on.
  3. Then how introverted, extroverted, that’s pretty easy.
  4. Then how agreeable you are, so how essentially other people can manipulate you. So if you tend to be agreeable, you’re going to tend to say “yes” all the time and have trouble saying “no.” So…and people that are not very agreeable kind of stick with their own ideas.
  5. And then finally, how neurotic you are, so this is more how anxious and moody you tend to be versus somebody who’s very stable.
  6. So the perfect personality type for this diet is someone who’s not open to new experiences; who’s very conscientious; who’s kind of introverted, so doesn’t need a lot of stimulation from the outside; who’s not agreeable; and who’s not neurotic. I mean that’s the psychology…word in psychology. It doesn’t mean you’re actually…

    Kevin: Neurotic, yeah.

    Fredric: Yeah. But it’s your degree of neuroticism, versus somebody very stable. So if you’re very stable, you always do the same thing. And I realized I’m kind of the opposite of those things. I’m very open. I’m kind of middle-conscientious. Yeah, I’m pretty conscientious, but not as much as some people. I’m quite introverted, so that kind of works. But I’m a little on the agreeable side. And then I tend to be a little on the anxious temperamental kind of side. So I don’t… personally, I don’t have the personality type that makes it easy to succeed with this. But once you understand this, you can realize, you know what, oh I kind of…maybe if you’re open to new experiences, you’re going to want to have new foods all the time. So don’t make your food so boring. Someone who’s not open to new experiences that much can eat the same meal over and over and never get tired of it.

    Kevin: I mean, don’t you hate those people? How can they? And this is coming from someone who’s very similar in terms of Fred’s rating. I’d say I’m probably a little more extroverted, and I’m probably a little less anxious. So I’m probably just about the same across the board, though. Agreeable yes, conscientious yes, and then definitely open to trying new things. I mean that’s like…that’s the, that’s my thing.

    But I mean, if someone like us…we look at someone who’s doing the same thing over and over again. We’re like, “Oh my gosh, don’t they…aren’t they driving themselves nuts?” And the answer is, “No.” This is their strength. And then someone like that looks at us, and they’re just like, “Oh my gosh, can’t they just stick to something? Are there just crazy people? They’re all over the place. They want to do this. Then they want to do that. And they want to have fun. And they want to try something new. And like, I can’t even believe it.”

    So each…and there’s more than just two. I mean, that’s just kind of polar opposites. But each side could learn from each other. As well as by knowing what your side is, you can say, “All right, well, then so-and-so’s only-eat-brown-rice diet isn’t going to work for me. I’d probably need a couple different types of rice.

    Fredric: Yeah. You need to make it exciting if you’re that kind of person that’s open. And if you’re not very conscientious, then you need maybe someone to make the food for you. Or you need help. You need structure. Maybe you’re going to…you can even pay somebody to come to your house and make you some food if you can afford it, and so on and so forth depending on where you fit in that spectrum. I mean, you need to work with that and not try to change your personality because you’re not going to change that. This is like “inner.” This is truly your genetics in terms of personality. So you can never change it. But you can work around it and find ways… And just like you said, I mean, we try diets that work for the guy who invented a diet who fit somewhere on that spectrum. But it’s not you.

    Kevin: Yeah.

    Fredric: And they’re going to look at you. “Why are these people failing on my diet? They’re not working it hard enough. They’re not patient enough,” and so on. But yeah, but they just—–

    Kevin: They’re not eating enough fruit.

    Fredric: Exactly. They’re not like you.

    Kevin: Which is great. And for that test, I’m going to ask you for details if there is one, Fred. But you can look at Color Codes. The Color Code is another test. It’s colorcode.com that has similar kind of categories. So yellow is fun, blue is kind of loyalty, white is peace and red is power. And you kind of fit in there, too. Particularly looking at the blue and yellow, yellow is fun. Again, Fred and I are both yellow. So that kind of fits into that open to trying new things, agreeable sort of side. And then blue is very loyal. And so blue…people who are blue in this Color Code type scheme, those are probably the people who are going to stick to the same type of diet for a much longer period of time.

    Does Doug have a place where you can do a test? Or do you have to read the book?

    Fredric: Well, this is not from him. This is in psychology. So you can look it up on the web by typing something like the “big five personality types.”

    Kevin: Okay.

    Fredric: So this is the leading theory in psychology right now.

    Kevin: Okay.

    Fredric: So just look it up. And you can find all kind of charts: “Big five personality types.”

    Kevin: Great, very cool. So who would have known that you could bring all this into your own eating habits? And actually give you an opportunity to give yourself permission to be able to be who you are when you are trying to eat healthy. Thank goodness.

    And one more thing on this, like for…so for Fred and I who are in that yellow, in that open-to-new-experiences-agreeable, we have to be social. We are social people. So if you’re feeling like you’re in that same spot, you have to be social. And so you have to put your social ability a little bit…your social nature a little bit ahead of your ability to…your strict diet restrictions.

    Fredric: I totally agree with that.

    Kevin: Just a little bit. Not totally. Not completely overboard, but just a little bit more. Think about your social first because that’s what really what’s driving you.

    Fredric: Awesome, Kevin. Good topic today.

    Kevin: Yeah, it was a good topic. So guys, go ahead and be social on the iTunes page and give us a review. Renegade Health Radio. And tell us what you think. If you like this podcast, if you found something valuable today, we’d really appreciate it.

    Fredric: Thank you guys.

    Kevin: Bye.

    Kevin Gianni

    Kevin Gianni is a health author, activist and blogger. He started seriously researching personal and preventative natural health therapies in 2002 when he was struck with the reality that cancer ran deep in his family and if he didn’t change the way he was living — he might go down that same path. Since then, he’s written and edited 6 books on the subject of natural health, diet and fitness. During this time, he’s constantly been humbled by what experts claim they know and what actually is true. This has led him to experiment with many diets and protocols — including vegan, raw food, fasting, medical treatments and more — to find out what is myth and what really works in the real world.

    Kevin has also traveled around the world searching for the best protocols, foods, medicines and clinics around and bringing them to the readers of his blog RenegadeHealth.com — which is one of the most widely read natural health blogs in the world with hundreds of thousands of visitors a month from over 150 countries around the world.

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    1. suzanne says:

      Great show. Hope it reaches the hard core mono-minded “nutritionists”. I just love how you both are open to being so honest with the public on your changing views/growth about foods.

      Fred – whats the brand name of your traveling rice cooker?

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