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Heavy Metal Research—Kevin Goes on a Cleanse
- Kevin talks about his recent experience on the weekend cleanse. The first-day water fast was the easiest part! The second day? Not so fun.
- The one meal Kevin could eat twice a day, every day for the rest of his life and never get tired.
- The two most important diet habits that gave Kevin the best results.
- Info on a “condensed cleanse” that anyone can easily do.
- Are you someone who abuses cleanses?
- The history of snake oil: why the original “snake oil” may actually be good for you!
- What’s in your rice protein powder? You may be shocked to find out. Where to check your favorite products for potential heavy metal content.
Kevin: Renegade Health Radio. What’s up, everyone? Kevin Gianni with Frederic Patenaude.
Fredric: Hey. Hi, Kevin. Hi everybody.
Kevin: Hello. It’s dry here in Denver. I’m in Denver.
Fredric: It’s like the story of the traveling renegade people because every week, you know, we call in from a different city.
Kevin: We’ve already done that, though, with the Renegade Health Show. It would be nice to not to have to travel so much.
Fredric: So what’s new, Kevin?
Kevin: Oh man, I did the weekend cleanse last weekend.
Fredric: Oh yeah?
Kevin: We actually did it. I’m not telling the truth. I actually did it during the week instead of on the weekend just because the weekend, we were going to be traveling, and so I did it during the week, which is fine. We’ve done with the weekend cleanse to saym “Hey, we’d like you to do it in the weekend, but if you can’t do it on the weekend, you can do it during the week.”
It was great, you know? I haven’t done a cleanse in a long time and I’ve been saying that I wanted to go up to the north to see Dr. Goldhamer and do a water fast, but with a baby, it’s just really not something that, you know…right now Annmarie and I decided we are just not going to do it yet, just because we just want to…we don’t want to get involved with staying at a place and having a babysitter and that sort of thing, so the weekend cleanse I figured would just be a good thing to do.
So a couple of interesting insights. Number one: The water fast on the first day was so easy. I actually love it. I kind of want to do some sort of regular water fast like that, maybe even monthly, maybe even twice a month. It just was really good. Did you have the same experience? Do you tend to struggle when you have a water fast, or no, Fred?
Fredric: Not the first day. I mean, it’s kind of like you. It’s kind of a revelation, you know? Wow, I feel so good until about 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon, where I just kind of need to eat, you know? Then you wait it out and that feeling goes, and then when you break the fast, it’s just…it’s a great experience. I don’t think I would do it every single week. I think it can be a little depleting for, you know, if you are not actively trying to lose weight. But I mean, all the research is there and it’s a great thing to do.
Kevin: Yeah, but then the second day. So for me, for some reason, on juices, that second day, like I was just really spacey, kind of out of it, and just really, really hungry. And it was really strange, because normally when I fast, I don’t kind of experience this. I’ve even done five, six, seven-day juice fasts. I’ve done five-day water fasts and I’ve never really felt this way before. So I don’t know what…maybe my body really did need to cleanse. Maybe there was just some things going on, or it just was the timing or my metabolism is faster right now, I don’t know. But I just…I was really, really, really, really anticipating having some sort of solid food the next day.
Fredric: Well the second day is the hardest, I think. I mean, you were working. I did it actually on the weekend as we’re supposed to.
Kevin: Oh come on.
Fredric: No, but I mean, it does work a little bit better when, on that particular day. Not the Friday, but the Saturday. You don’t have to do anything, right?
Fredric: But the second day is tough. And how was your third day?
Kevin: Third day is great. I mean, I have one smoothie a day in the morning, one nice big smoothie in the morning, every day now since January. It was something that I restarted up again. I mean, I could have two smoothies a day every single day for the rest of my life and have a dinner. So it’s like…what is that, a…was that two shakes a day and then a sensible dinner? Was it at Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig? I forget which one that is, but it kind of feels that way.
So two green smoothies a day. Big ones, like 32 to 48, maybe even 64 ounces a day, and when a regular healthy, organic dinner. I could probably do that every day for the rest of my life. I just love green smoothies. They’re just…I love them, they are so good. They are so energizing. Their filling, so you know, you are not getting a ton of calories in the morning with breakfast, you know, just with like eggs and sausage and bacon and pancakes and whatever else you want to eat. It’s just a really great tool to keep your hunger down, so the third day was just fantastic. It’s just great to have delicious smoothies and easy ones to make, not too complicated, great. For anyone who doesn’t even know what a green smoothie is, it doesn’t even look green, so no one freaks out. It’s just a really good, really nice way to kind of close out on the third day.
Fredric: Cool. Well, we’ll give everybody more details, I guess, as we release that program, because there are a few more things as part of the cleanse, right? We got, like, the holy basil is part of it, a few protocols, but we wanted to test it out ourselves. We have like…a bunch of people take it, and then you had the raw food challenge before you organized this part of Renegade Health, and I had the green cleanse, so we’re kind of putting it all together in this sort of condensed cleanse that everybody can do.
Kevin: Yeah, a condensed cleanse that just kind of is built upon the years of experience we’ve had before. In the condensed cleanse that, one, I could just give to my mom, and she would just say, “Oh I think I can do this.” And two, for people like Fred and I, and you who are listening, probably, who know all this stuff. And sometimes, even when we know this stuff, five-day juice fast…somewhat daunting, you know what I mean? And it’s just one of those things where you are like, “Do I really need five days of juice? I’m eating healthy.” This is one of those things you can just kind of like, hop in for three days, hop out, get back to you stuff.
And you know, look, there are a lot of people who abuse cleansing. It’s kind of like a binge and purge kind of behavior. And I’ve seen it all throughout the years that Annmarie and I were on tour. We’d talk to people and they’d say, “Oh, I’ve just went away for the weekend and now I’m doing like four-day, five-day, six-day, ten-day cleanse.” And then they’ll go away again and they’ll just…they’ll go on a cruise or something, and they’ll just eat everything from the buffet, binge on all the different types of food. And then they’ll come back and they’ll think that cleansing is going to right their wrongs.
I think it tends to shock the body even more. It’s almost better that you kind of maintain your healthy lifestyle throughout..and yeah, when you go on a cruise, maybe you do eat a few things, but you know, just don’t over…don’t like super over indulge. And then when you come back, you can cut back a little bit. I think it’s just kind of doling out those peaks and valleys and just kind of making it more of a fluid wave. I think it’s really one of the most valuable ways to not stress out about this stuff, and actually keep your body always ready and not shock it so much.
Fredric: Yeah, yeah totally. I mean, you can get addicted to cleansing, although I never did, because to be honest, a long juice fast, it kind of sucks, you know? You said it like it’s daunting, five days and it’s just…I mean, the last water fast that I did, I guess it was a seven-day cleanse or ten days, if you include like before and after, because I kind of prepared myself eating fruit only and so on.
It’s not something I would do every month. I mean, it is work, like it is…that’s what Dr. Goldhammer says: fasting is hard work. It’s kind of weird saying, because you are not doing anything, but it requires your effort. It requires your persistence and your motivation and it’s not easy. Condensed cleanse kind of gets you back on track. It’s better than not doing it. It’s better than thinking about doing a ten-day cleanse and not doing it. So you do three days and maybe at the end of the three days you decide, “Hey, this time I’m going to go for seven days or five days,” because you feel like if your are over the hump or something, like the first couple of days are difficult.
Kevin: You exactly said it. And I would say the last six or seven cleanses that I’ve done, it’s always been a feel thing. It’s never been, “Oh I’m going to do this for seven days.” It’s been…I think the last time…the time before this, the day of the cleanse, I was starting to get a little bit of a cold. Any time I start to get a little bit of cold, I shoot right to juices. I load up on vitamin C powder, zinc, echinacea tincture, you know, I really just…I do it.
And I was like, “I don’t know how long this is going to last.” And I did it the first day, I had a little sniffles. And I was like, “I’m just going to keep doing this until I don’t want to do it anymore.” I think I did it for four days, and on day three and day four, instead of just having juices, because I didn’t really wanted to define it, I just wanted to kind of ride it out I started to add some smoothies in and it felt really good. And I think that approach to cleansing is actually really valuable, too. Because look, if you do three days of cleansing and you are trying to do seven and you didn’t make it to seven, you still did three days of cleansing. I mean. you can’t beat yourself up for that. I mean. you have the initial motivation, you actually took the action to do it, you went out at the grocery store, you bought all the stuff, you got the juicer ready, you got the blender ready and you got all these things together and then you are beating yourself up for not finishing seven days? I mean, who’s to say you are probably even needing seven days? You know, three days is cool.
You know, just do it and then try to pick it up again, you know, maybe later, maybe in the next couple of month. And I think that’s the best approach to it, because we look at these numbers, like seven days is going to take us to the promised land. And who knows? All our bodies are different. It’s kind of like this one-size-fits-all fits all philosophy, that’s the way to look at it. Just because someone says seven days doesn’t mean your body is going to turn from cesspool to swimming pool. How do you like that one? I just made that up?
Fredric: That’s a good one.
Kevin: And so enough about the cleanse. We hope that you guys get interested in that. I do want to do a little side note here. I am writing a book for Hay House. Hay House is publishing the first, like, official published book for Renegade Health. And in the book I went and did some research on snake oil. Do you want to hear what I found out. Fred?
Fredric: Yeah, yeah. I mean, tell me.
Kevin: You know, I’ve always wondered, because sometimes—and even myself, I’ve been called a snake oil salesman before by haters on the internet—and I’ve always wondered what it actually meant. And so I went and I did some research. And there’s actually a really interesting article on NPR. You can just search the history of snake oil, NPR, and you will find the article. And it’s probably more interesting than what I’m going to tell you here, because it’s a little more detailed.
But essentially, snake oil, when the Chinese were immigrating over here and they actually had Chinese labor camps—and it’s kind of a part of American history that a lot of people don’t know about—the Chinese did bring an oil that was from the Chinese water snake, which is an oil that they used on a regular basis, I believe they even used it topically, and super high in omega 3.
And so real snake oil is actually good for you. So it’s kind of like this, you know, this thing that people don’t know. They just assume that snake oil is a supplement that doesn’t work, or some sort of flashy hooplah kind of kind of thing that doesn’t even bring real results.
What happened then is a guy named Clark Stanly found out about snake oil, and he decided that he was going to try to get snake oil from rattle snakes. And he started selling this snake oil liniment all throughout the country, and kind of like the traveling salesman putting advertisement and little flyers and all the stuff, all the vintage stuff that you may or may not have seen about snake oil, or just about that old, like, I don’t know, even campy kind of like, Vaudeville kind of show, circus.
Fredric: Cures everything.
Kevin: Exactly, exactly. And he actually used to even kill the snakes on stage. I would love to see a video of this. Unfortunately. there’s none. But I’d love to see this history in action.
And so he was the guy who made a big deal about snake oil and brought it to a lot of people. And I think in 1906, Pure Food and Drug Act started cracking down because of Clark Stanley, they started cracking down. And they actually went and tested the snake oil and they have found that what he was selling didn’t have snake oil in it. There was no remnants of any snake oil. It was essentially just a bunch of mineral oil and maybe a few other things. So he really was selling something that did not even exist. He got fined $20.
Fredric: Which is like?
Kevin: A slap on the wrist. Kust like the pharmaceutical companies.
Fredric: What is that? And what year was that?
Kevin: That was in 1906. I remember reading somewhere that it’s about the equivalent of $400 or $500 of today’s money.
Kevin: So yeah, he really got the crackdown.
Fredric: Cool. So you’re really not a snake oil salesman, Kevin.
Kevin: No, no, no. But I’m interested now in real snake oil. It might be actually really valuable! But I mean, I think it would be very difficult to sell it.
Fredric: Just don’t mention it if you…you try.
Kevin: Yeah, the special oil, high omega 3. So what else do we got? We got some heavy metal stuff here, Fred. Heavy metals are a big deal.
Fredric: What kind of heavy metal? Metallica? What’s your favorite heavy metal band?
Kevin: I have to admit that I listened to a lot of Metallica.
Kevin: Oh no, no, no. Not now. anymore. I can’t bring myself to listen to it. It’s so angry.
Fredric: Oh! I don’t care about the angry. It’s just…it hasn’t aged well. Let me just say that. But when you are in the mood, you know? Yeah.
Kevin: I did meet James Hetfield, who is the lead singer of Metallica, at…a Michael Pollan talk in Marin. How cool is that?
Fredric: Yes. So you know the Metallica guys, they are into raw food diets, right? Or healthy foods or something organic.
Kevin: At least healthy foods. So anyway, heavy metals. Big news coming out of www.nationalnews.com. I don’t know if you guys know Mike Adams, but Mike Adams has been a colleague and a friend of ours, Annmarie and I, for…when did we initially meet Mike? Holy Cow, did we meet Mike eight years ago? We…no, no, no. we met Mike six years ago. That’s still a lot of time.
We met Mike six years ago at the Raw Spirit Festival in Arizona, in Sedona. And since then, I’ve followed Mike’s work. And Mike’s gone from healthy to Survivalist, to Conspiracy Theory…I mean, he’s really run the gamut over the last six years in terms of what he publishes.
What he’s publishing now I think is probably the most revolutionary and coolest thing that’s ever happened in the health industry. I don’t know about ever…well let me take a look. I don’t know about ever, but I think it’s answering questions that we need to know. And so what Mike did was, Mike took a lot of his own personal money and funded a lab that he now has setup, where he tests all different types of food products that you find in the super market, in the health food store. Protein powders, seaweeds, he’s doing all of this right now, and you can find out all the information at www.labs.nationalnews.com.
Again, we are not getting paid to talk about Mike and what he’s doing right now. I just think what he is doing is absolutely amazing. And so what is really valuable to me, and the way I look at this and the importance, really, is the fact that we are eating this stuff ourselves, but we are also giving it to our son. We are giving it to Hudson. And some of the work that Mike has done particularly with rice protein powder is shocking, because rice protein powder from the—generally it’s because sourced from China—tends to have very high or higher than, rice from say the United States, in heavy metal toxicity.
And this is a big deal. I mean, think about it. You make your smoothie every morning, you have your vegan rice protein because you don’t want to overload on whey protein or animal protein or something like that. It’s kind of one of those things that a healthy person decides, and says, “Hey, I don’t need to eat that much meat or I don’t even need to eat any meat” or “I don’t need to do this or that. I want to have some rice protein.” You put your rice protein powder in your smoothie and you are adding heavy metals to your smoothie! I mean it’s shocking right?
Fredric: What else is he testing? I mean, I know it’s new, but has he tested anything else? Is he planning on testing like a wider range of food products, including perishable products?
Kevin: Yeah, absolutely, that’s in the works. I mean, it’s an issue of…I talked to him the other day. I mean, it’s an issue of funding, figuring out what’s kind of the most valuable things to test, that you know, that most people are using so they can really have a database that’s really valuable to people. And he’s tested everything. He’s told me he’s tested like everything in his house, personally. He hasn’t published anything yet, because what he’s doing is, which is fantastic, is that if he finds something in his lab, he sends the same thing off to another lab, to third-party validate if the results are actually correct. And you know, everything so far has come up correct that he’s found.
So protein powders he’s done. Some of the rice protein powders and some of the pea and other type of protein powders he’s done those. You can find those at www.labs.naturalnews.com. He’s done seaweeds, done some green powders, I believe. So he’s really started to run the gamut of this like, super food kind of space. And just identify what stuff is good and what stuff isn’t. Because yes, there is going to be some metal toxicity in some of our foods. That’s just kind of the nature of our toxic environment. But some of the levels that he’s finding are just, kind of, unacceptable.
What’s cool about the actual rice protein powder is that he tested some rice from California, some organic rice from California, and it didn’t have any of these heavy metals. So there is rice that doesn’t have it. It’s not just all rice. All rice isn’t toxic. It doesn’t have all heavy metals. We want to make sure everyone is clear about that. Rice is a good, healthy food to eat. But I think it’s more of a sourcing issue than it is the actual blanket rice, peas, apples, anything like that. It’s where it’s coming from. And I think as we evolve over the next ten to 15 years, I think that’s going to be the real focus on our food sourcing. And we are going to have to really get more committed to looking at what’s there and where the food is being grown, because there is a risk for toxicity as our environment continues to be more toxic.
Fredric: Well, have you noticed, Kevin, and everybody listening, how in the last few years, more and more fruits and things like that are coming from China, being imported from China? I mean, we know China for other things, all the…pretty much, consumer items that we buy and so on, but now they are exporting a lot of food. Like we see apples coming from China. I mean, you got to look at where the food is coming from more and more, because I don’t trust almost anything coming from China. But sometimes you don’t really have an alternative. And at least we are not putting it in your mouth. But food from China, I just don’t trust it. I don’t know you about you, Kevin, but this doesn’t surprise me the whole heavy metals and rice protein powder and so on.
Kevin: Yeah, but I mean, you can look at it, and you could do research online or read a good book about China in its industrial age. I mean, America was in an industrial age, you know, decades and decades ago. But this industrial age in China…in many cities, there’s ridiculous amounts of pollution. It just seems to me that you kind of want to avoid that. I mean, I wouldn’t want to eat a bunch of vegetables from Pittsburgh in the steel days, you know? I mean, like back in the 1920s and 30s and 40s when the steel mills were just like really, really cranking along in Pittsburgh.
I mean, there’s pictures my grandfather has of, you know, people who worked in the steel mills. And you know, they’d just be covered in soot…it would be just cloudy and this fog of, or not even fog, it’s like cloud of soot moving through Pittsburg on a regular basis. And I don’t know. I don’t want my lettuce growing in that type of environment. And again, I have not been to China and so on. I’m probably speaking ignorantly on some level, but at another level, not. And I’m sure there’s great places where food is grown in China, but for what I know existing about it, I’d be very cautious.
Fredric: I mean, it was in their story also a couple of years ago, I think. It was a major newspaper or something that. And New York City tested all of the sushi bars and the fish that was being served there, and found outrageous amounts of heavy metals in the fish that were considered safe by the official guidelines.
Kevin: Yes, this was…I believe it was in 2007, 2004 or 2007. And that was a really scary study when that came out. Mercury levels were super high. I mean, to the point where eating six of those, of the sushi rolls, the cut sushi rolls of like tuna? That was an experience that could be considered a toxic experience.
Fredric: And there is a disconnect between what people think is healthy food and what’s being advertised, and the reality. I mean, it seems like the official guidelines don’t have time to catch up with what’s actually happening in terms of sourcing and so on. I know shrimps from Asia are ridiculously toxic, and then, that’s what you find. I mean, if there is no mention of where it’s coming from, it is probably coming from there.
Kevin: Yeah. I’d like to know about goji berries. It’s my understanding that goji berries, a lot of people like to say that they are grown in Tibet, but I have a feeling that most…I remember reading an article from a very well qualified source mentioning that, “You know, goji berries really don’t—you know, the ones that we’re getting, they are not really coming from Tibet, they are coming from China.” And is this a good or bad thing? I don’t know. Maybe I should bring this up to Mike and see if he can test a few things.
Fredric: Cool. Well really great information about that. We are looking forward to seeing what’s going to happen next with this study.
Kevin: Yeah, definitely check it out www.labs.naturalnews.com.
Fredric: All right. Well I think we got some more concise information today. I mean, we’ve been doing this for a couple of weeks, now.
Kevin: Yeah, I think we are on it. It’s good.
Fredric: Good. Well we are looking forward to your comments, guys, and also your questions. I think we should start answering questions probably by the next podcast. And it’s on iTunes, too. So if you’d prefer to get the podcast directly to your iTunes account, so you can load it on your iPhone and so on—and also I think on the iPhone directly and the iPad and maybe even android devices, there’s a podcast app that works with iTunes, so you can download them directly there.
Kevin: Yeah, so you could take us on your run or your walk or your yoga class. I don’t know. Does anyone have iPhones on in yoga? I wouldn’t be surprised. Bye.
Fredric: See you next time.