Candida Could be Causing More Health Issues Than You Think : Exclusive Renegade Health Interview with Donna Gates

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I searched everywhere for a candida cure. Here I’m gathering noni fruit with friends in Honduras.

Many of you know that I experienced a pretty awful candida infection a few years ago…

It ravaged my digestion, it gave me acne, it weakened my immune system. I tell my story as a part of this post (below the interview.)

I would say it was one of the most frustrating experiences I’ve ever had in my life.

The reason why was because the candida was so ridiculously stubborn.

It just wouldn’t seem to go away.

Today, I wanted to share an interview with a mentor of mine who helped me get over the infection with her protocol that’s known all around the world these days.

It’s called the Body Ecology Diet and my guest today is Donna Gates.

In Part 1 of 2, she’ll discuss how pervasive candida can be, how you initially get it (you might be surprised!) and what issues it can cause in the body.

This is an important one, so be sure to check it out (my comments in writing follow!)…

Listen to Part 1 here:

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Click here to learn more about Donna’s work: www.BodyEcology.com

Kev’s comments on Part 1 of this interview with Donna Gates…

Today, I’m not going to do a list of items because that style doesn’t really fit with the way this interview turned out.

I, of course, like any interview that we do, would love for you to listen to the entire thing to get the most from it.

Anyway, I wanted to share a little more about candida experience so you can understand what my symptoms were and how I got over them.

I would say the first indication that something was wrong was when were in Fort Bragg, CA for the Vibrant Living Expo in 2008. We were filming the videos for the Rawkathon and I noticed that my face was exceptionally oily. It almost felt like someone had spread a thin layer of almond butter on it — a real sticky, greasy feeling.

What followed — and embarrassingly while I was at the event — was my first acne breakout. It was awful. It started on my temples, then moved to my forehead. Then my cheeks.

It was acne that I hadn’t had since high school and I started to freak out. At first I wasn’t concerned about my health. Initially, it was an ego thing. How could I, a health blogger and figure get acne — and worse, how could I go in public with it?

So I retreated.

After Ft. Bragg, we stayed in Connecticut for a while as my acne got worse. I didn’t want to leave the house.

My diet at the time was completely 100% raw. I was doing an experiment with the 80-10-10 diet. Apparently, it wasn’t working, but I wanted to stick it out and give it a fair try, so I kept eating that way. My acne got worse.

I would stand in front of the mirror for at least an hour a day, cursing the situation. Annmarie, my wife, would tell me to stop picking or to get out of the bathroom — that it would eventually just pass.

I appreciated her support, but it didn’t pass.

I talked to a few colleagues who ran some tests. My IgA, IgG and IgM levels indicated that I had an infection. We suspected it was candida.

Then something pretty gross started to happen.

I started to see (please skip if you have a weak stomach) weird cotton ball like puffs in my stool.

Candida confirmed.

I Decided that I Needed to Do the No-Sugar Approach to Candida Right Away…

After this, I stopped the fruit diet (it also was leaving my mouth in pain on a regular basis) and I immediately took a no-sugar approach.

This diet was just as painful as the candida. It was hard for me to get energy from my greens and fats. My body just didn’t burn them like they did protein and carbohydrates. But, my acne got a little better.

I incorporated an herbal rotation into my diet. One that included oregano oil and other herbs with anti-fungal properties. My acne got even better, but I’d always end up having a good week then I’d have a flare up again and it would set me back in my protocol another few weeks — emotionally it was worse.

I was having a very difficult time dealing with this. I was supposed to be voice for great health and my face looked like pepperoni pizza.

I wondered why this all happened to me. I cursed all the experiments I had tried — I was healthy before, I’d tell myself, why did I even bother?

I didn’t want to leave the house at all and I started to wear a hat that would cover most of my temples and forehead so that I could hide the acne there. I wouldn’t shave so I could hide the acne on my cheeks (I also don’t shave, because I’m lazy… LOL!)

A Suggestion that I Wasn’t Ready to Digest

A friend told me about Donna Gates one day at lunch. She noticed that I was only eating lettuce and some nuts. She asked what was wrong. I told her I was tired of my acne and that I hadn’t eaten any sugar in a year. I told her my mineral levels were down, even though I was eating a massive amount of greens. I told her I was having mood swings.

She told me I looked sick.

She told me the Body Ecology could help. She also told me that I should try some goats yogurt. I laughed at her.

I had been a vegan for a while now and I was particularly un-open to eating anything from the breast of another animal — humans aren’t supposed to do that, right?

So I ruminated on her suggestion for a while — and at the same time I introduced fermented foods into my diet. They seemed to work a bit, but not enough.

I thought about all the other options that I had and there were very few.

I didn’t want any more tests or to try any more crazy diets that restricted me — I had already done the no-sugar thing for a year and I was broken, tired.

The “Hide the Milk” Grocery Store Technique

So one morning, we were in a local health food store and they had raw goats milk. I looked at it through the glass of the refrigerator. Then I looked around to make sure that there was no one around that may recognize me (we do tend to get recognized in health food stores!) and put a bottle in my basket, making sure that I hid it underneath a few heads of romaine and a bag of apples.

I went home and made my first yogurt. My body couldn’t get enough of it. I don’t know why — and can only speculate — but I think that last year of stress and acne and no sugar and candida took a lot from me. It seemed like yogurt or kefir was the most perfect food for my rebuilding.

And it was, my acne improved rather dramatically — it didn’t completely clear up my face, but it was the best that I’d seen it in quite a while.

I was elated, and also ashamed.

I had eaten something from an animal, but I had done it to heal myself. I wondered what the ethical considerations of this were.

Could I eat something from an animal — without killing it — and still be an OK human?

Would my body suddenly turn into a mucus-y, constipated mess?

Would I get cancer and heart disease in a few months — since I had believed dairy was one of the most toxic foods on the planet?

There were more questions than answers, but none of this happened.

In fact, I ate a large amount of fermented dairy for about 6-8 months, then decided I didn’t want to eat it any more. My body didn’t want it.

My acne had gotten better, my digestion improved and the outward signs on candida were almost gone.

A New, Adapted Candida Diet-World View

Since then, I’ve experimented with eggs and fish — at times with guilt and at times without. Each additional food that I’ve added back to my diet has given me more energy and cleared up my face even more. (Some can be due to increased hormone production and essential fatty acids.)

Now, I can proudly say that I’m on the other side of it. The acne is a thing of the past — with exception to a rouge pimple once a month or so either on my face or back — but I’m pretty sure that’s more than normal.

It’s quite a relief to be introduced on a stage these days without having to worry if someone is close enough to see the breakouts on my face.

It was also a relief to see my mineral levels back to normal, my mood swings almost eliminated (I still am a little firey, but I think that’s just my nature!), and my faith in natural healing renewed — with a few minor adjustment.

Anyway, I initially set out to tell this story to demonstrate the power of fermented foods — even fermented dairy — and show how Donna’s work may be able to help you, but I also think it will probably open up a discussion on the ethics of eating animal foods to save your own health.

I’m sure those who already do eat them will have no issue. And for those who don’t, this will likely insight you a little. But I know there are a bunch of you on the fence about which way you lean, so I’d love to hear your thoughts about this…

Your question of the day: Is it morally OK to eat animal foods to save your own health? Or if you don’t want to go down that path of burning coals, have you had an experience with candida that you’d like to share?

Live Awesome!
Kev

P.S. If you want to get more details on how I overcame my own candida including the protocols I used, please check out the Perfect Digestion Plan.

Kevin Gianni

Kevin Gianni is a health author, activist and blogger. He started seriously researching personal and preventative natural health therapies in 2002 when he was struck with the reality that cancer ran deep in his family and if he didn’t change the way he was living — he might go down that same path. Since then, he’s written and edited 6 books on the subject of natural health, diet and fitness. During this time, he’s constantly been humbled by what experts claim they know and what actually is true. This has led him to experiment with many diets and protocols — including vegan, raw food, fasting, medical treatments and more — to find out what is myth and what really works in the real world.

Kevin has also traveled around the world searching for the best protocols, foods, medicines and clinics around and bringing them to the readers of his blog RenegadeHealth.com — which is one of the most widely read natural health blogs in the world with hundreds of thousands of visitors a month from over 150 countries around the world.

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  1. carl says:

    You can avoid all but raw vegetables if you want, but my naturopath informed me that it was bad for me to not eat a small amount (4-8 oz.) of meat every other day or so because of my European ancestral heritage. I find the avoidance of fish, dairy, and fermented foods to be unfathomable and inexplicable, but your diet is your business.

  2. Lynne M. Harrington-Crick says:

    Thank you Donna! I was into William Crook’s books years ago fighting Candida for so long. I am appreciative to hear you talk about what I have been going through myself. I have tried so many things that all worked but it always came back. What I am doing now is Pat Connolly’s book The Candida Albicans Yeast-Free Cookbook. I like it a lot because it recommends eating only a 1/4 Cup cut up veggies which I came to the conclusion I basically have eaten way too much food that made the condition worse. I feel so much better and know that the key for me is to change my whole lifestyle as well as foods. Meditation also helps to get control more of the stress levels that play a key role for me in increasing the candida levels in my gut.
    I like what you say in the video and would like to order your book.

  3. Ray G says:

    Kev,

    I would say to heal our own body we can include little bit dairy in our diet.

    In your fermented experiment , Did you see any significance with acne by the number of bifidum and bulgaricus bacterias?.

    Ray

  4. Wendi says:

    Yes I think it is ok to eat a little. That’s basicly the problem today, we don’t eat a little. Meals are often centered around a cut of meat rather than ate sparingly with ones health in mind. While being completely vegan is also great for your health depending on what your issues are but few people are able to do this totally long term and matain there health. I really like Donna Gates as her approachs to health are so sensible and practical rather than rapped up in moral issues. I don’t believe in absalutes. Even posions are used homopathicly as cures.

  5. Mickey says:

    Thank you for sharing you story!

    I am going through a similar journey right now. I have been vegan since my teens (over 10 years) and over the past year developed hashimotos disease, severe adrenal fatigue and multiple food allergies. I went from being in perfect health to completely bedridden and unable to care for myself in less than a year. What is worse, is that raw vegan food has been no help to me in this crisis. I made a turn for the better only when my health care practitioner begged me to eat fish and eggs, and I have been sad to admit that it has been the thing that has helped the most out of everything I have tried.

    I really feel guilty about it, but I got to the point where I got sick of the ER and needed to heal myself.

    Everyone is on their own path. I don’t feel great about mine, but we are all doing the best we can.

  6. Sherry says:

    I don’t think it is a question of morality at all, but rather a question of what best nourishes each individual based on where they are at with their health, lifestyle, geography, season etc.

    A better question might be ‘are my food choices in line with my values and intentions’. In fact, I think that a deeper inquiry into that question would reveal that a sweeping decision to never eat an animal food again comes NOT from a holistic perspective but rather from a narrow one- and that the impact of that decision is actually small -in terms of healing (because it is only the first step of many for people and because it may impede healing down the road if it becomes a rigid ‘position’ -and in terms of the impact on the planet and sustainable communities (it is only sustainable choice if one is satisfied with the industrial world that is needed to sustain it in cold climates).

    No diet is perfect for anyone all the time. Raw, vegan and vegetarian diets are cleansing which makes us have more energy, feel better, lose weight and clear up toxicity so that we can make room for healing.

    Animal foods and cooked foods are building. They are great for when you want to ‘build’ – as in childhood, pregnancy and when recovering from a weakened state.

    Both diets are healing.

    15 years ago I became a vegetarian because like many people I was disgusted by factory farming, but the truth is that eating mass produced fruits and vegetables does not make the world a healthier place and neither does it solve any of our societal or global problems at the level of root cause.

    We can’t just stop eating meat and pat ourselves on the back for being part of the solution. It isn’t a solution- it is a band-aid.

    Standing in that question we have the opportunity to consider that we are in need of a paradigm shift.

    I think the question of morality is better suited to ‘Is it immoral to deprive ourselves or someone else of optimal health because it doesn’t fit with our world view?’

    Simply look at a child and ask yourself if you would withhold animal foods from the child knowing that they would keep the child well, help him or her recover from illness, or keep him or her alive, just because you held the position that it was immoral to kill animals.

    There is your answer.

    We think it is immoral in theory, but when push comes to shove, any compassionate being knows exactly what the right answer is (the answer is in our heart and in our gut- not in our mind and all of its grand idealisms, egoistic ways and illusions).

    Yes, murder is immoral and yet it is defined by killing a member of one’s own species (no healthy animal does that-it is not natural, yet killing another species for food is very natural).

    If we do not define it that way, we have to consider ourselves a defender and protector of murderers. Humans are animals that kill for food, as do all animals. It doesn’t make us murders or immoral- it is just the way of life.

    It is more beneficial to stop eating factory farmed meat and purchase grass fed meat in terms of making an actual difference in the grand scheme of things.

    It is up to each to determine how much is enough based on their unique and changing needs. People need more or less or no animal foods, depending on where they are at in their healing process. It is important to honestly evaluate when something is and isn’t working for us and act accordingly.

  7. Sherry says:

    oh yeah and I forgot to say that Donna Gates rocks and I overcame minor candida issues just by adding cultured foods to my diet-no deprivation, just additions!

  8. Velda says:

    Great interview, Kevin, and great comments from you afterward. I have not had a great deal of experience with candida, but I know that I have it – but it does not react as destructively in my body as in yours. I know a gal that became bed-ridden because of candida, however.

    I am working on fermenting my own foods – I bought your book, “Cultured”. However, over the holidays I lost it and am now looking for it :) – bummer :( . From what I have been reading, I believe that fermented foods are a must to keep your gut healthy. If you keep your gut healthy, then the chances are reduced that you will have major health issues.

    As far as eating animals go, I don’t eat a lot of meat but do eat animal protein. I think for health reason, we, as a society, eat too much meat. However, I also believe that God put all things here for our good and our use. God was the first one to kill an animal for mankind. When he drove Adam and Eve out of the garden, he took animal skins and made them clothing. Mistreatment of any animal is not ok, but plants and animals were put here to feed us and sustain us. We just need to be humane about it, and moderate. Our bodies seem to be made for all of what was put here for us to eat – plant and animal. It is true that some people can go without animal protein better than others. However, it is also true that some people cannot go without animal protein and have their bodies working up to par. Food is a gift from God. It was all created to sustain us before we were even made. Be thankful and humble. Your bodies are a gift also, and it is our responsbility to take good care of them.

    Thanks again, Kevin. Great information – as always!!

  9. Kim Ward says:

    Hi Kevin,

    I think your story, as well as other similar ones shows that maybe the moral issue is one we as humans impose on ourselves needlessly.

    I would think it would be morally wrong not to listen to our bodies to save our health when needed. Any other living creature would do so.

    Here’s another way to look at the issue, that
    makes a lot of sense to me… quoting the end of an article from beyondveg.com, where they state: “Your diet should serve you, and not the other way around.”

    Congrats and finding a way to effectively deal with candida!

  10. Cindy says:

    I think it is ok..there are animals that are carnivores.. does make them bad animals? Some people need protein from animals.. I have been a vegetarian and a vegan.. but after a very lengthy and debilitation depression and tons of medication.. I took the initiative and began to listen to my body..I needed protein.I dont need a lot but a small amount a couple times a day.. I am very careful about what I choose to eat. organic, free range, grass fed, no farmed fish.. I buy from a local farmer.. where I know there is no slaughter house involved. I feel guilty sometimes..but I also remember to give thanks to the earth for providing.

  11. Heidi says:

    I had a similar discussion with a friend a few years ago, and we basically came to the same conclusion; that is, it’s okay to eat some for a while if it’s going to help you through a health problem or crisis.

  12. sheri says:

    We love fermented foods, your culture book is great, and because of it, we now are enjoying making our own kombucha, for a dollar a gallon. We now are making 3 gallons a week. The kids love it, and it has helped my candida a lot.
    Thanks for the e-book, hope to someday get the hard cover one. Thanks for all your hard work helping others be healthy.
    Sheri

  13. Ariel says:

    Perfect timing on this, for me at least. Having been strict vegan for six years I have recently started eating animal products occasionally, and now more than ever I feel committed to eating ethically and having a positive impact on animal life.

    There really is nothing like eating eggs from chickens that you’ve fed and played with or seafood you’ve harvested or caught yourself. I still feel weird about the tiny amount of seafood I eat, but it makes way more sense than expensive fish oil supplements.

    And I feel better!
    Vegan may be my natural diet, but a history of allergies and candida from medications means that I need extra help sometimes.

    The mistake that I’ve made a few times is assuming that since I can handle small amounts of high quality organic animal food, I can occasionally indulge in low quality dairy desserts and things like that. So not true, it feels terrible!
    If you decide to expand your diet from strictly vegan, you have to be more conscious than ever about what goes in your body.

    Peace love and seaweed,
    Ariel Tahuya

  14. Ginadu says:

    Experiments in diet have left me with this: 50-75% raw vegs, fruits, nuts. Only soured dairy products, ie: yogurt & kefir & cultured cottage cheese & a little raw milk cheddar now & then. The cottage cheese has started causing me trouble-not sure if this is a “chewing enough” issue or what. I have not eaten the flesh of an animal for many years including gelatine capsules. Eggs have been my conscience plaguing thing. I still eat eggs at this point because of their availability & nutrition. I dunno how that will be in time. Between herbs, roots & soured, cultured milk (goat would be the best but it’s not available currently) there seems to be something for every malady that has occurred so far within my influence. ps: raw honey is not a candida producing sweetner & xylitol produced from trees (not corn) is also a benefit. Beans & potatoes which are usually fine are good to avoid for a couple weeks when you first start to “taste” yeasty. Rice can be browned in a dry pan & “popped” then add water for cooking & that removes the candida forming constituents. Prepared foods are a toxin.

  15. Adrienne says:

    Kevin,
    I really loved this post because it is so clearly demonstrates how dogma is not helpful when it comes to diet. You could have trudged through forever but instead, listened to (a friend) and your body, and healed. I believe there are times when your body clearly needs animal foods (to build) and times when it clearly needs more plant based foods (to cleanse). Part of that is moving in sync with the seasons and developing the ability to hear and decode what your body is telling you (without being ‘deafened’ by the shouldn’ts and couldn’ts of what you feel is the ‘right’ diet). On either road, we always try to make the most sustainable, humane and ethical choices.

    Acne, mood swings and energy dips are always signs that something is going on that needs to be addressed (and that something begins in your gut). When we help women in our programs nurture those instincts and give them the skills to add cultured food to their diets, we find that many issues start to resolve themselves- including cravings, yeast infections, acne, bloating and a whole range of other digestive issues. Thanks for sharing this interview and your experience. Donna Gates was really a trailblazer on this front and we continue to recommend her books to many of our clients…

  16. Ingrid says:

    I decided quite a while ago that no matter what, I would not give in to extremism, as there is too much of it in the world as it is. Meaning (at least in the nutritional context) that no ideology will ever be more important to me than my health, and my body, which is my temple.

    I have incorporated fish back into my diet, and by now do it intuitively, whenever I feel that my body might need it, with not too much of an ethic dilemma. This, after months of ‘brain-fog’ which I figured was probably due to a lack of fat which my brain and body desperately needed.

    So when I don’t have the best vegetable sources of fat at hand, I don’t hesitate to have a little fish. I am thankful that the fishie (although unwillingly) provides me with nutrition, and in my heart and mind I don’t take that for granted.

    I know and feel, in my very core of being, that I am a good person. I love the earth and all the people, animals, and plants on it. I wish nothing more, than for everyone and everything to be in harmony and balance with each-other. But everything starts within ourselves. Only a balanced body/mind can help create a balanced world. ?

  17. Davor says:

    I wouldn’t want to discuss moral implications, because I’m strictly vegan, and I plan on being a vegan my whole life. I became a vegetarian around 23 years ago, and a vegan two years ago. Since I went completely animal free, I started feeling far better then when I was eating dairy. I guess, like you always say, Kevin, it works for me, but not for everyone. So I am really interested in if there are any vegan fermented foods you could recommend for keeping the candida under control? Regarding sugar, I just don’t like sweet stuff naturally, even fruits. I enjoy a good, healthy, crunchy veggies the most. I consider fruits, seeds and nuts as a dessert. ;) Cheers!

  18. Jeni says:

    Hi Kev

    I have had a really bad case of Candida so bad that my whole large intestines would contract and give me such pain I never knew if I was going to pass it or pass somthing out.
    I had access to seeing a nutritionist as I going to the local gym/sauna. I had to cut out ALL sugar things for months. NO bread with yeast in and no mushrooms. after about 1 yr it did clear up and no more pain after that.no more scary contractions either but that was SO bad but then my taste buds said lets get something better and tastier.

    But then I never went back to what I was eating which was a lot of toasted sandwiches at that time.

    I did have a long history of being given anti biotics for continual sore throats and bronchitis, but the docters never diagnosed my athsma either for yrs either.
    I was average vegetarian at the time meant 40% raw in the summer and no junk puddings either.

  19. Diana says:

    Oh gosh…What is ok about mind making ‘moral’ decisions what body is going to eat? We should stop eating from books or follow people who just simply- don’t have our body! Give your body what it needs to thrive and explore your beliefs and those who stop you to be healthy- change them.

  20. Mariel says:

    this is a GREAT ARTICLE! I’ve never commented before, but my name is Mariel and I’m 16.
    i’ve been on the body ecology path phase one for almost four months now. It is amazing! I don’t have all my symptoms gone yet but i got retested for candida and its gone! :D
    my issues are mostly with digestion…gas…and bloating.
    I’m also doing something called the healing codes. its this energy medicine type technique. you should check it out!

  21. Sayward says:

    This is so interesting to me, Kevin. Your story is one that I seem to hear again and again (and again!)

    “100% raw vegan develops deficiencies, changes dietary protocol in numerous ways *including* eating animal foods. Heals.”

    It really appears to me that very few (if any) folks are able to live a sustained 100% raw lifestyle. I have watched leaders like you go through this, and I have seen so many of my own friends have the same experiences. Candida. Deficiency (mineral and vitamin). Tooth problems.

    I can’t help but wonder – WHY??

    What is it about the raw diet that is so flawed? Nobody knows, it seems.

    I feel amazing when I do short stints of 100% raw, but after 30-60 days, I know I’m done. My optimal diet is high-raw, no refined sugar, and most importantly, NOT hyper critical and concerned over my food. Food obsession is also rampant in this community, especially among 100% raw foodists, and I really believe that it’s a big part of the problem. We manifest what we focus on, right, so if we’re constantly stressing about our health and what we’re eating . . .

    Anyway, the vegan thing is a separate issue. I think the problem is with trying to stay 100% raw, *not* with being vegan. You say that you added fermented foods and went off sugar and worked to heal your gut and did a number of other things, plus you added animal foods.

    I wish you would have done everything *except* the animal foods, at least at first, at least to try. I understand that having a health crisis is scary, especially when people look to you as a health leader (believe me, I know). It’s overwhelming and you want to do whatever it takes to get well.

    Do I think it’s immoral to use animal foods to *save* your health? I don’t know.

    But the real question is, are animal foods *actually* required to save your health?

    In the vast (vast!) majority of cases, I think they’re not.

    Your story with candida and gut issues is very similar to what I experience postpartum. And the way you dealt with it is almost identical to what I did. I completely eradicated my candida and repaired my gut, too, by doing all these things. Except the fermented dairy. I didn’t do that, and I wonder if you *really* *needed* to do it either.

    Anyways, these are just my thoughts on a topic that I’ve thought about a LOT, haha. I would love for somebody who is willing to see truth, as opposed to seeking confirmation, (someone like you!) really dig into these issues with the raw food lifestyle. Why does it appear that 100% raw is unsustainable? If a diet is supposedly so incredibly high in vitamins and minerals, why do most people develop deficiencies? Why are there so many tooth problems? Why so many gut problems? We don’t see this in healthy-eating vegans, but it’s almost across-the-board in 100% raw foodists. It’s a fascinating phenomenon! (that nobody is talking about!)

    I enjoy what you do Kev, even though I often disagree with you. I’m trained as a scientist so I appreciate your openness and willingness to explore things with honesty. So thank you for that.

    Also, I hate those people who leave really long rambling novels of comments, and now I’ve gone and done it. Damn!

    Peace
    ~Sayward

  22. Sayward says:

    @ Davor

    There are SO many vegan fermented foods! Traditional foods include sauerkraut, kimchi, fermented pickles, kombucha, water kefir, miso, tempeh, natto, kvass, and apple cider vinegar, to name a few.

    Modern interpretations include almond or coconut yogurt, coconut kefir, rejuvelac, and homemade raw nut cheeses.

    Hope that helps!
    ~Sayward

  23. Leam says:

    Thank you for your candid and frank retelling of your experience. I personally cried and cried the first time I consumed animal protein looking for answers to my poor health after so many years strictly veggie. It helped so I had to get over myself.

  24. Stephania says:

    CULTURED, your book, made a huge impact, thx!

    1. KEFIR (goat) has made an incredible & fast difference

    2. CULTURED veggies, at each and every meal

    3. EGGS (fab recipe on Donna Gate’s site)–too bad Body Ecology products are not shipped out of the US–maybe you people can help here, Kevin&Annmarie?

    4. wild-caught, cold-smoked MACKEREL (more widely available in Polish/Russian/Ukrainian delis)

    plus…great article: chock-a-block with info; really fabulous to know I’m on track (some of the above was “intuition” and caused a lot of crazy feelings); absolutely hilARious, too, right down to the insightful misspellings :-))) luv it, luv you two people

    peace

  25. Linda says:

    Hmmm, I wonder why all those other guys are thriving on 80/10/10. There’s a great video at InspiRAWtion’s youtube channel and also other videos including blood test results at natureasintended’s channel. It’s important to remember that it isn’t a diet, but a lifestyle.

  26. Karen says:

    My husband and I seem to do a better with a little meat. If I’m cooking it, I always get organic from Whole Paycheck. We’re leary of eating any meat at a restaurant though. Great interview, Kev!

  27. Bee says:

    @Linda: I’ve dealt with HORRIBLE candida and other gut infections (bacterial, fungal, etc) for YEARS and have tried every kind of anti-candida diet out there. Nothing worked and they only made me sicker. I hadnt had one fruit in years b/c of it. I recently am trying 80-10-10 (without added overts)…it’s only been two months, and my skin is a bit better, and my elimination is getting better too. Best thing is that I have energy now, can think clearer, and my mood is not as labile. I’m definitely detoxing, for my symptoms exacerbate and remit often. But, I do feel the 811 LFRV diet is helping, but it’s too soon to tell.

    I have a ton of other gut issues on top of this, and heavy metals (IBD, IBS, gastroparesis, GERD, etc), most of which are related to the high meat/high fat ACDiets I was on. The high acidity of the ACD actually makes candida worse, as well as cause inflammation.

    I have a lot of healing to do, but I would love more insight on others who have healed thru 811.

    @Kevin: DO u think u were experiencing a detox reaction from 811 and not necessarily a candida infection?

  28. Nomi says:

    One of the most unhealthy people I know has ‘never touched’ any meat related product her entire life, due to religious beliefs. I’ve sent this person supplements that upon reading she picked out something related to an animal, or fish and didn’t take it. Basically she’s been eating the lowest quality possible of bulk TVP I think it’s called- a soy product plus some beans for ‘protein’. She eats horrible low quality wheat based crap. Never has greens in the house. She’s a mess! The opposite of what most in this blog do. She looks like my mother and she’s 18 years younger than me, she’s in constant pain. Now there’s an extreme.
    For me-if a supplement or even an RX contains something from an animal (no matter how far removed but still in there) it’s more important to me to maintain or improve my health than it is to not use the product.
    The true moral dilemma is what’s happened in the last 100+ years with treatment of animals as products, filthy factory farms, filling innocent animals with hormones, raising them in filth; in short torturing God’s creatures to feed and over feed way too many people. And the poor go hungry. That’s immoral. If that hadn’t gone out of control long ago we wouldn’t be contemplating the moral issue.
    We would simply be deciding if occasional meat is for us; or not. Whoever said ‘All things in moderation” Well that was never heard by the meat, dairy industries, or the Monsanto’s, Kraft’s and Bayers of the world.
    The other motto, the one that says “All things for profit no matter who it harms” that is the immoral underpinning of our society. Uh, I think was a rant. Sorry.

  29. Linda says:

    I’m just thinking to add that I’ve always suffered miserably with acne and can honestly say that 80/10/10 has been the best thing I’ve ever done for my skin. My acne stays away as long as I keep overt facts to a strict minimum. Nutritionist Star Khethara who eats 80/10/10 says, “I have done some dietary comparisons using dietary analysis software and 80-10-10 consistantly comes up as being the most balanced in both macro and micro nutrients. Clients of mine who are on a ‘healthy’ omnivorous diet are always much lower in things like iron than me (and I dont eat meat!). They are also scarily low in most (if not all) the essential vitamins plus their omega 3-6 ratios are horrific.
    I have found this to be true right across the board. My diet on the other had, has over 100% of ALL (apart from b12 and vit D – the latter is not dietary related) vitamins, minerals and EFAs

  30. Nikki says:

    I think it is most important to realize that we are all different. While I am currently eating a vegan diet(with the exception of the occasional use of honey), and strive to maximize my intake of raw fruits, veggies, and greens, I believe that it is not neccessary to be a strict “100% raw food vegan” to achieve health. For some people it works great, others may actually do better with some animal products, some people thrive off of low fat/low protein/high carb diets, whereas others need more fat or protein or less carbs to feel optimal. I know that I personally feel better having some whole grains in my diet, and very little protein, and minimal fat… but I know people who say they have trouble digesting grains and need more fat and protein. Key is to find out what works best for you and TRY not to get caught up in dogma and hype and rules. (Something I am working on myself). I was getting too caught up in the raw food thing, but have to admit, that I felt absolutely no difference between eating 95-100% raw than I did when I was eating dairy and even some processed foods (including fat free processed cheese and fat free cow’s yogurt that had splenda in it of all things…. and soy meat alternatives….) all the “junk” that we are told to avoid, made me feel just as good as eating completely raw. So I am in the midst of trying to figure out just what does matter. I definitly think that raw fruits and veggies have to be the most important foods nutritionally, but not exclusively.

  31. Eric says:

    Hi Kevin. You have been the victim of a very pervasive lie. The most benevolent people I’ve met in my life were meat eaters. Most holy men and woman around the world eat meat. According to the Framingham study the people who eat the most saturated fat as flesh live the longest. The proper way to eat is to be grateful for what goes in your mouth and to make sure the spirit of what you are eating is aware of that appreciation. We are not born to eat. We are born to learn; on a spiritual level. One of the main things to learn is how to serve others. The balance of that act is the appreciation returned. Many living things cannot serve without being the food of another though there isn’t a single living thing that wishes to die to make that happen. This is where communication comes in handy. Most vegetarians polarize to eating meat. Excluding meat is not the same thing as only eating non-meat food with appreciation. Here is a post I made a while back that includes my teacher’s perspective as well as his teacher’s perspective and what caused him to give up his vegetarian ways. Also, at least half of healing is spiritual in nature. I’ve been a spiritual healer for over 20 years and I can turn around someone’s poor health in days as opposed to months or years using diet only. Peace. http://shamanism.tribe.net/thread/38972e41-e2a9-40e6-9518-aca902df3270

  32. lizzy says:

    Y’know I personally have always felt this issue with people who say, “we are not baby cows, we should not be drinking their milk”

    Morally, ethically as long as the animals are well taken care of, they do not mind if we use the products they naturally give. Except if I’m missing something, does the chicken grieve when she can’t find her eggs, if she knows she can leave another one the next day? I don’t know.

    But in terms of eating it, so what if we are not baby cows, as people we were blessed with abilities to be creative,and use tools to have a more interesting life.

    If humans for centuries have enjoyed the taste of cows, and goats milk, and have felt it to be beneficial,then who is to say we are not meant to eat it. I have always had this question, about how much we should be natural and how much to enjoy the creativity of the human mind.

    Of course we’ve got creativity like creating GMO foods, which have proven to be unsafe. But the entire idea of natural versus creativity is one that I constantly wonder about.

    And I think eating animal products that are taken without harming the animal is based upon this question, is it natural?

    If anyone, Or you Kevin has any ideas on this topic, I’d be interested.

    Natural versus, human creativity, art, betterment of beauty and living through changing our environment?

  33. ken says:

    Just starting Donna’s diet ,have been through awful time with this nightmare problem..I can only eat once a day 3 mins into eating I will have stomach like I ma 9mths pregnant and will become soo cold then pass out..yeah great fun !
    Now I have had many weird diets and well you know at the end of the day I think you have to do what feels right for you..I have turned myself inside out trying to do the “right ” thing ,not just to do with food but all of life..is the stress that you put opn your self trying to be right helpful to your health ? I do not think so ..What ever u do you will always be wrong according to someone.

  34. charles says:

    “Biology trumps ideology every time” – Charles Anthony

  35. lizzy says:

    also about the 80/10/10 diet, I think you have to be really cut out for that to do it. If you eat any fat a tiny bit more than you should,with all that fruit, i can imagine it could throw you off completely.

    I for one could never do it, all that sugar with no fat, would simply unbalance me completely. I really think that diet could be a very dangerous experiment if you are not up to it.

    That amount of sugar, can be dangerous, you must really know what you are doing for the fruitarian, diet, people who believe in it, and make fun of raw foodists who promote expensive herbs are doing a great dis service to the health community, as personally I thik I am an herbarian if that makes sense, if i could live on Herbs alone I would!

    I personally find herbs to be the most balancing and nourishing foods on the plant, raw food alone can not cut it. I am often espeicially surprised by the recipes of gourmet raw foodists, I can’t use most of them full of sweet veggies, like carrots, and dates and nuts, they don’t seem at all healthy to me.

    I think most raw foodists who are not successful may not be including enough herbs in their diet. Herbs are hardly spoken of as a food gourp. but personally I believe they should be at least 30% of your daily diet.

    also question for raw foodists, do you really believe we are not meant to consume, grains, beans, and root vegetables? and if we are meant to consume them, are sprouted beans really healthy? are root vegetables meant to be eaten raw? they don’t seem to be, so i really question, whether it really is healthier to completely eliminate these very nourishing foods from our diet?

  36. Nadine says:

    Not that this may be the case for you, but I think this happens to a lot of people who practice any form of extreme veganism (ie. restricted most foods include fruit) – they get sick and then think they need animal products to recover. In “Vegan for Life” they talk about this phenomenon and from experience and research, vegans will often do better when they stop such restrictions and incorporate higher percent of calories from fat and unrefined carbohydrates back into their diet. Maybe you could have used something else to help in your healing, but if goat products worked for you, then great! I would just be cautious in assuming that it is what would work for everyone else. I am glad to hear you recovered though.
    I’ve considered eggs before, but I cannot get past the horrific aspects of poultry. Even organic hens that people raise in their backyards – they still kill or sell the birds for slaughter after their utility is done – I really cannot ethically get behind this practice as it using a creature solely for a food that is not even necessary. I did find non-gmo lecithin and added that to my diet and found it to be a great substitute.

  37. Carole says:

    OK, here I go again – We are designed to eat a balanced diet of real foods. Jesus ate meat. Moses ate meat. The only meat the Bible says not to eat is pig.

    It is only since we stayed away from a balanced diet of real foods that the lifestyle diseases have skyrocketed. We didn’t have obesity, diabetes was an old people disease, you never knew anyone with cancer.

    One good difference now is the vast availability of fruits and vegetables. We didn’t have that in the old days. (yes, I’m older)

    And to answer the question about chickens and eggs – the chicken has no attachment to unfertilized eggs. When she has a fertilized egg, she sits on it.

    How about we give up all this nonsense and enjoy a good nutritious home cooked meal?

  38. Sayward says:

    Re: eggs

    Of course, there are never hens without cocks. You cannot have an egg without the death of a rooster. Baby chickens are born for industry, or on a small farm. The females are allowed to live so that they may lay eggs. The baby males are killed at birth; half of all the chickens born. You cannot buy eggs withut accepting that.

    (I say this as a veg*n who keeps rescued hens and has gone through periods of eating *their* eggs. Hypothetically, in a bubble, in a world withut context, eating eggs is probably not unethical. However as it stands today, it’s pretty much impossible to purchase eggs that are not the direct result of animals dying. Food for thought)

  39. Brooke says:

    I am experiencing terrible acne after switching from vegetarian to a vegan diet a few months ago. My husband said maybe it was something in dairy that I am lacking. I laughed. What? Pus? But this makes me think. I do have the Body Ecology book, read it a couple years ago and have tried kefir and other fermented veggies, etc before i went veg. And have tried it occasionally since, but not daily. I wonder if the coconut kefir would work just as good without having to eat goats milk?? Anyway, i’m going to try it! I am fed up with this acne and it is a shame when i am trying to be an example of health and look so horrible! :( Thanks for sharing!

  40. Linda says:

    These are personal decisions that we each make for ourselves based on our own values, knowledge, and circumstances.

    I respect other people’s choices and expect mine will be respected too. If someone has an issue with how I live my life and what choices are right for me, sorry, but MYOB. And that includes the choice to change my mind when circumstances change.

  41. Jordan says:

    I swear the 80/10/10 parrots are worse than the jesus freaks!!! Talk about dogma and close-mindedness. I can’t really blame them though. When you lack the proper nutrition, the brain doesn’t work properly and tends to get people quite aggravated and turns them into a self-righteously pious know-it-all, all the while claiming to be a passionate and loving vegan while treating their fellow humans like dirt. Just as there is more than one way to connect with the universal spirit, there is also more than one way to cultivate excellent health.

    If you look at the 80/10/10 leaders though, it’s no wonder most of their followers act and preach the way they do. It’s SO obvious that they’re just following the pious and HUGELY egotistical and evangelical attitudes portrayed by their leaders and consequentially seem to have little influence over their own thoughts as a result of all the brainwashing. There is a lot more to the story than what those in positions of influence would have them believe but it’s something they can only discover they start to think for themselves. Here’s a point that seems lost on the parrots of 811: great fitness doesn’t necessarily equal great health. Just because someone has a great fitness level, it doesn’t mean their diet is superior, it just means they have great fitness.

    Also, there is no room to adjust to individual constitutions or individual needs because the 811 diet is the ONLY way! So when it doesn’t work for someone they are just dismissed by saying “They didn’t do it right. They didn’t eat enough greens, or their banana’s weren’t ripe enough or they didn’t get enough exercise or they didn’t stick with it long enough or they had teeth problems before starting the diet and having 13 new cavities has NOTHING to do with the diet. It’s CLASSIC cult tactics. Blame EVERYONE and ANYTHING but NEVER consider that maybe it’s the diet or that it may be only suited for a small % of the population living in ideal locations. Life’s laws work perfectly though as it’s they that are the ones who have to live with the consequences of their dietary choices and the isolation they cause by being Holier-than-thou.

  42. LynnCS says:

    Sayward, thank you for your post(s). You said everything that I was thinking about this topic for a long time. So I won’t leave one of my long rambling posts…lol…Because You’ve said it all. Keep them coming. Thanks.

    When I found out that I could get EVERYTHING I needed from plant sources, I decided I wanted to do that. That was about 32 years ago. I learned and ate mostly macrobiotic for a number of years and then drifted into “vegetarianism” without a real plan. I didn’t do well. I tried to improve by trying to be a vegan and I didn’t do well with that either. I couldn’t believe that I was trying to be healthy and was getting fatter and more unhealthy all the time. I drove long distances to find an “Integrated” doctor and it helped some, but I didn’t really learn enough about the how,what,and why of nutrition.

    Now in 6 1/2 months of mostly raw, I am better than ever. Giving up ALL animal products and grains has made a total difference. It is taking some work and study, but I have started simply and learning as I go. The scariest symptoms have gone away. OMG Why would I ever go back. Plus the Idea now of what animals go through is abhorrent to me know that I know more about that too.

    There is no benefit to eating animal products that I can see, and the Acidosis created by eating meat is only harmful. I do understand that cheese and true yogurt is different. The commercial raising of animals for any reason is immoral to me now.

    I don’t tell anyone how to eat, but I do see that there is NO reason to raise animals to eat them or their fluids.

    Well, Sayward…I managed to make it long after all, but there doesn’t seem to be a word or letter limit here. Besides, I love the long and rambling posts. I get to know the poster a little that way.

    Thank you, Kevin for getting us to think about these most important issues. Much love to all. Lynn

  43. maca says:

    I’ve been vegan for over twenty years and have a few minor health issues. In the past I would never have considered eating and animal products, but now I wonder if I’ve been living the wrong life. I’m considering experimenting with eggs once or twice a week and maybe even some fish a few times a month. Since reading your blog my mind has opened up quite a bit. I’m sure some vegans will think you’ve brainwashed me (LOL), but I have a string mind of my own. You have opened it a little wider and I now have some decisions to make.

  44. Katie says:

    Hello,

    I became fascinated by diet when the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) put my Crohn’s disease into remission. I was horrendously sick with a huge rectal fistula/abscess and rectum that was almost closed off from disease. The diet healed me when doctors said I would never heal. It saved me from a colostomy. I have been well for 11 years now without medication, simply by following a diet. This diet takes out all complex carbohydrates. The theory is that most intestinal disease are caused by pathogenic bacteria and Candida is a problem too. I took a lot of tetracycline as a child for ear infections, which I believe caused in imbalance, along with a high sugar/complex carbohydrate diet. You culture your own yogurt to break down all the lactose and put good bacteria in. My healing was a miracle and amazed my doctors.

    I find diet advice very conflicting. My diet is heavy in pastured eggs, and meat. I also eat a lot of nuts and vegetables. I eat “good fat” pastured butter, coconut oil, pastured cream etc. I try to eat things as close as I can to how God gave them to us. No GMO. As organic as possible. I do the best I can.

    I am a Christian and believe that God gave us animals for our benefit, but they are to be treated humanely, not put in factory feed lots. I give thanks to God for what I eat and pray that He allows me good health so that I might serve Him.

    Katie

  45. Josephine says:

    I need times when my car intake is really low. If I had more set-up rightly I would go low-carb for about three months each year–on the shortest day-length days as Jack Kruse recommends.

    The only things left to eat are the low-carb veggies, a few nuts, and animal products. In the heat of Summer, I like to go all fruit and carrots and radishes and collards.

    Those days/weeks when I am able to be really low carb, about 15-100 grams, really help my energy and alertness.

  46. Cindy says:

    While I think everyone should be able to make their own informed choice, I agree with Carole (comment #26). A balanced diet of real foods is the answer. Most kids are now raised on processed foods & junk foods from the time they are born, which is why there is so much sickness, disease, & obesity. Just eat real food.

  47. Marcella says:

    “And to answer the question about chickens and eggs – the chicken has no attachment to unfertilized eggs. When she has a fertilized egg, she sits on it.”

    I’m sorry but this is simply not true. A hen has no idea if her eggs are fertile or not. If there is a rooster around then most likely all eggs are fertile. The rooster semen will live in a hen for many days after mating continuing to fertilize eggs. Most hens have no regard for their eggs unless they go broody. Most hens never go broody though unless they are a particular breed. The instinct to mother has simply been bred out of them. They will also cannibalize eggs if they ever get a taste of them and create havoc eating their eggs and any other hen’s eggs if they can get them.

    My husband actually walked in on one of our young hens yesterday likely laying her first egg. She seemed curious and nudged it around but then left. What would it be like to lay an egg for the first time. LOL The hens all just lay their eggs, sometimes squawk with pride over their accomplishment and then just leave. The exception is a broody hen. Occasionally one of our hens will go broody. We’ve had many that live out their natural life and have never gone broody and never had any desire to hatch their eggs. When they want their eggs they let you know. They will stay on them as much as possible and try and keep you from touching the eggs. We almost always let a hen hatch the eggs if she goes broody. I find the mothering instinct endearing and appreciate the instincts and abilities of a hen raised chicken best. In our experience they are friendlier and more capable of foraging for food which makes them healthier.

    Life is just not so simple in the chicken world. If you do not kill excess roosters they create havoc and work to kill each other. They fight and kill, blinding and leaving wounds on the other roosters. We’ve tried avoiding killing the excess roosters but it’s bad for all the roosters and bad for the hens. With too many roosters around they “harass” the hens excessively and can and do physically damage them.

    There is no natural world in which all the roosters are allowed to live and live in harmony. If the chickens are left alone the roosters will fight endlessly to kill and drive away the weaker roosters. It’s just chicken life. And it can be a bloody painful existence. Roosters kill roosters. A quick kill by a human can be much more humane. We never kill any of our hens though. We let them live as long as they can.

    But for the health and safety of all the hens we have to kill roosters. We let them live long enough to get a good idea of their personality and who we want to keep around because they are good to the hens and our children. Some roosters are just mean and can’t be kept around without them actively attempting to hurt people and they can blind a child. And they are usually mean to all the other chickens. I don’t feel bad when my husband ends the life of a rooster like that. And some roosters are sweet and actively guard a broody hen and will even protect a child from other roosters.

    But please understand that a farm family who kills roosters is not really being inhumane. They are having to choose what’s most humane. And roosters fighting and killing and maiming hens at home is brutal. And selling them to someone who will cock fight is brutal. Killing them in the back yard is brutal. It ends a life. But it’s the most humane way to do it because their own instinct is to kill other roosters.

    Yeah, I eat eggs. I have chickens and ducks and we eat the eggs. We also keep them for companionship. I think they have a nice life here with lots of room and lots of fresh fruit and veg from the garden to supplement their diet. We do our best to protect them and keep them safe because predators are everywhere and they provide us eggs in return and loads of manure for the garden. A nice cycle of fertility. And my kids know where their food comes from.

  48. Tanya Willis says:

    I’m so pleased to hear your story. Although I am not completely RAW or vegan – I would say it’s about 70% of my diet. Starting this adventure many years ago I took the meat out of my diet but didn’t want to deal with the sugar addiction that I had- so what’s worse–meat or sugar?? Through years of reading and being honest with my body I had to deal with the sugar issue which is so much better- not perfect-but much much better. So again, I ask myself as I am looking at people’s diets- they may be taking meat out but buying frozen yogurt, frozen pizzas, prepared packaged foods and more processed crap-and STLL AVOIDING eating vegetables, or PLAIN ORGANIC yogurt or “REAL FOOD”. We all have a journey and sometimes we can start splitting hairs- I truly believe that we need to go back to the basics and start eating Real Food and listen honestly to what our bodies (not our emotions, commercials,etc) are telling us.
    Thanks for being honest and open. Here is my honest story about part of my sugar adventure and if it helps someone I would love to hear from you
    http://www.moveyourbody.ca/blog/?p=167
    Health and happiness,
    Tanya

  49. BarbaraL says:

    I personally have such compassion for animals and their rights to not be used as commodities that I cannot imagine ever again eating their products, nevermind THEM!!! I think lots is going on in our beings that gets reflected in our bodies, and things are often symbols for other distresses. I love Louise Hay “You Can Heal your Life” who helped me see that attracting auto accidents had a deeper meaning than ooops, wrong place wrong time. She says that acne is dislike and lack of appreciation of one’s self and non acceptance. I have also read that skin problems are anger and irritation, outpictured in the body. I do believe that more is going on than what we eat and we need to look deeper into stress and distress. This is how I operate anyway and it works for me, but I am open to other opinions and advice always to see what rings true. No absolutes!

  50. BarbaraL says:

    According to the Essene records, Jesus and his followers did NOT eat meat. ??? So much of the Bible and ancient writings are metaphorical and symbolic its hard to figure out what’s what. However, when you actually take the time to look into the eyes of any animal, even a little gecko, its hard not to melt with compassion for their precarious existence. I have a hard time accepting the predatory inclinations of domesticated man and I do think we aspire to ascend from those conditioned responses of using other creatures when it is not necessary. The problem is its hard to get past conditioning to ascertain just what IS necessary!

  51. Connie Olson says:

    Hi Kevin, I’m so glad you shared your experience. I tried so hard to do a raw food diet, and haven’t been able to, and I’ve felt like such a failure. The first time I did 100% raw and lasted for three months. I felt pretty good, except I started having extreme stomach pains that would keep me awake most of the night, so I had to give it up. The second time I tried I thought that maybe if I put everything in the blender my stomach would tolerate it better, but I ended up getting dyshidrotic eczema on my hands, from handling anything with any fruit acid in it, which is extremely painful and ugly, so I have been having to wear gloves to do almost everthing for the last five or six months. And I had to quit eating fruit, even with gloves on, because whenever I’d eat any I’d get extremely chapped lips and some new blisters on my hands. I’m finally able to eat a little fruit again. I ate an apple yesterday and had no problems. I had been wanting to ask you about it, because I’ve been watching your videos for about two years I think, but I really felt that there was no answer. Anyway, thank you. :)

  52. Stephanie says:

    Hi,

    Does your perfect digestive program come with a meal plan and recipes to follow?

    Thanks

  53. sue says:

    I feel, like a few others, that we should eat what makes us feel well because we all need different diets to thrive; and trying to slap a set of rules on nutrition doesn’t make too much sense.
    I have always been quite confused about ‘candida’. In the 80’s or so, it seemed everyone had it; and the supplement shelves were stocked with anti-candida solutions! I don’t know why the ‘cotton balls’ are indicative. I didn’t know it caused acne. So I am still confused. For a whole ‘nother perspective, see this site: http://www.owndoc.com.
    I enjoy Donna Gates immensely. However, I dislike fermented foods. Wish I knew more from some type of horse’s mouth re candida because it seems every type of sympton has been pinned to it. Thanks for this article and interview.

  54. Hi Kev

    I got rid of candida by drinking bicarbonate of soda and vitamin C in spring water and apple juice for a few days and it has not come back. Supermarket bread use to make it flare up again, so make your own with a good quality non-wheat flour
    Thanks for sharing

  55. Michele says:

    What a great dialog. You have to do what’s right for you and instinctually i believe we know what our bodies need. As far as ethical implications, i always am a bit perplexed by some of the arguments and the comments that human’s are somehow the nobler species out of any other species on the planet and this is the reason why we would excuse animals who eat other animals behavior but humans should have different rules. I’m curious as to if we could communicate with all of the other species on the planet and they could communicate back and we made this comment to them…what would they say? I think they would probably look at us funny, laugh hysterically and wonder what the heck we were talking about.

  56. Aime says:

    Wow – what a discussion! I’ve noticed that there is sooo much controversy in all the health information that it’s often so confusing what is BEST for our health. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a one answer for everyone kind of thing. It’s very individualistic & depends on the persons health issues, past diet & lifestyle. General rule of thumb seems very appropriate though – we need more REAL food – not processed, packaged, dyed, frankenfoods. Maybe some meats & dairy here & there but certainly not in the excess they are typically consumed in our country. The mind body connection is also likely a huge part of our health. The bible seems to address all the issues (phycsical, mental & spiritual) & is likely the best health book ever written.

  57. Since 1980, I had experimented we various diets, some were not so good. But, this is how I learned especially before the internet age. I received information about Candida in our bodies in 1984 and went on an anti-candida diet that excluded all sugars including fruits and all grains. I was on this diet for about 3 months and felt worse after it. I thrive on some complex carbohydrates and beans. I do not feel so well when I have too much animal fat. I am fine on coconut oil. I am mostly wheat-free vegan with occasional eggs and fish and good organic yogurt. To this day, I am still tweeking with my diet to figure out why I feel worse on some days than others. I consider myself to be highly intelligent for a human, but I am still trying to make sense of all the nutrition information and what works best for me.

  58. All this misinformation about candida makes me sad. People are just trying to get better and someone just wants to sell them supplements and a book on fermented foods!

    The candida microbe is literally saving people’s life, it’s the good guy. Extended high counts of candida microbe are the issue. It’s a simple matter of lowering the amount of fat in your diet back down to normal, healthy levels (below 10% of total calories, on average). The candida microbe’s lifespan is measured in hours, not days or weeks. It takes a matter of days for candida issues to cease, relative to each individual’s health and vitality, once people start taking proper care of themselves. People who say they’ve been on “the candida diet” are doing just that, following the high-fat diet that is causing their candida issues again and again!

    Supplements aren’t the answer. Acetic acid, alcohol-laden fermented foods aren’t the answer. Truly healthy diet and lifestyle is the answer! :)

    Chris Randall

  59. Mak says:

    Thank you, Kevin,for sharing your story with us. It has brought so many different point of views, all worthy because they represent different experiences.
    Thanks for sharing their opinions to Veldra, Sherry, Jordan and Marcella (now I know more about chickens, eggs etc). Thanks everybody for taking the time to express.
    Kevin, by opening the door to these many opinions, you have done more for healthy life and healthy eating than many books put together. Sincerely.

  60. Jordan says:

    @Chris Randall and every other loud mouth health “expert” on the internet

    Have you ever had to deal with candida personally? Do you actually know anything about it besides just parroting the 811 overt fat myth propaganda??? So let me get this straight Chris, you’ve been eating lfrv since Oct 1 2010, which is a year and 3 months, you lost a bunch of weight, you started to feel better and now you’re a qualified EXPERT on candida, its causes and every other health issue in existence. Yup, just like every other 811 parrot out there. Let me guess, the cause to EVERY health related issue is, wait for it, overt FATs! As soon as people eat over 10% of their calories as fat, there’s a pot bellied little devil waiting to take away their heath and if they would only just eat low fat raw vegan, everything would be just magical and we’d all get to live in Eden again! YAY!

    Well, here’s one testimony to say that 811 is NOT the answer to every health problem, candida included. Take Kevin for example. He was doing the 80/10/10 diet and his candida was only getting worse. If candida only lives for hours as the 811 cult leaders would love for us all to believe, then in reality he would only have to eat lfrv for a couple of days and it would be gone but that was not the case for Kevin and for MANY other people who have tried the 811 approach and it failed them. I am another example. I did the 811 diet for 6 weeks while experiencing an overgrowth of candida and it only got WORSE. Why?? Because I was feeding it a steady stream of sugar! Duh! You think the sugar from 10 bananas is going to be converted instantaneously into glucose to be sucked up by all my cells?? Not likely. Do you know what happens?? Some of the sugars are bound with indigestible fiber and go straight to the digestive tract and feed the yeast that have colonized there, and then they multiply. This is especially true with people with digestive issues (affecting a large % of the population) like pancreatic insufficiency where the pancreas isn’t producing enough of the starch splitting enzyme amylase which can be due to a multitude of reasons such as any number of mineral deficiencies ie Zinc (which is hard to get sufficient quantities if they were previously eating a vegan or poor diet) or stress etc. Not to mention the sugar that enters your blood stream takes time to move into the cells and if there is a steady stream of glucose coming into the blood from the digestive system because I have a gut full of bananas to digest, then the candida that have colonized the blood get a free meal ticket there too.

    The point being, there is nothing simple when it comes to a candida overgrowth which is why people end up struggling with it for years, sometimes their whole lives. The best candida doctors and herbalists often have a difficult time with it because there are so many factors involved like poor digestion, chemical buildup or heavy metals in the system, the health of the elimination organs, state of the immune system, chronic mineral and vitamin deficiencies, stress levels, etc. etc. If you have digestive issues or your immune system has been compromised due to taking antibiotics, which is the most common for the overgrowth to begin with because it’s mostly the antifungal nutrients secreted by the beneficial probiotics that live in the gut (lactobacillus acidophilus, bifidobacterium bifidus etc.) that keep the candida organism in check. Exactly what happened to Kevin when he contracted Lyme disease. Without these antifungal nutrients in the colon to keep the candida at bay, the candida multiplies and starts to take over the host. Even Doug Graham makes the comment in his 80/10/10 book that there is always a steady diet of sugar in the blood stream to feed the candida so what is normally keeping them at bay in most people? The antifungal nutrients secreted by our intestinal flora and a strong immune system, that’s what. That’s why a strong probiotic formula is always recommended to help recolonize the gut so they can keep the candida in check and it’s also why fermented foods become such an important ally in this process. The strains and numbers of probiotics in fermented foods are usually far more powerful than supplemental varieties and is why they are now being highly recommended by people like Donna Gates. It’s also why antifungal herbs like Pau D’Arco, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, Usnea barbata (google this herb if you’ve never heard of it. BEST herb for most lung infections BAR NONE, especially strep throat and bronchitis) garlic, horsetail, Oregon grape root (BEST herb for normalizing liver function btw)etc.etc. because they work on reducing the candida numbers while we build up our bodies natural antifungal agents in our defense.

    I really could go on and on here but I think I’ve made my point. So my advice to anyone who gives advice to others by regurgitating propaganda they heard on the internet without having a basic understanding of nutrition, digestion, physiology, biology, or ANY personal experience to back up what they say, PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP! and quit filling people’s heads with unsubstantiated gibberish. There’s enough junk advice floating around on the internet in health circles for people to work their way through without having to read any more, for lack of better words, “opinions of idiots”.

    Thank you.

  61. Auntie Nuke says:

    I went on the Body Ecology Diet years ago and it completely changed my health. I dropped weight, naturally detoxed, had great energy and great sleep. And then I slipped off the diet and haven’t managed to get fully back on. Still, I eat a lot with food combining, use organic miso and kefir (though I gave up coconuts after I destroyed my best knife trying to open them), drink apple cider vinegar and use flax seed oil… Candida is no longer in charge of my life, which is a miracle. Further healing needed; thanks for reminder. Donna Gates rocks!

  62. Tera says:

    I will never be able to eat animal products. the detrimental effects on the environment are not worth eating them, in my opinion.
    however, if humans were to go COMPLETELY “organic”, where all animals are raised in a happy, healthy, open farm, I would have less of a problem with that murder. but that’s just me dreaming :)
    I don’t think any animal meat is okay, but I have a much smaller problem with dairy and eggs (even though I don’t eat them).
    European milks and cheeses( especially French) are not as bad as American. although they aren’t necessarily healthy, they’re not too terrible.
    although I don’t have a lot of evidence written here, I’ve read so many books (The China Study, Animal Liberation, Meat Market, Gristle, etc.) that explain the unhealthy effects of animal products. I highly recommend these books!

  63. Michael says:

    Here’s a site all candida suffers should check out. Healingnaturallybybee.com

  64. Thanks for sharing this,it’s been great reading and listening to different discussions you have shared, Especially stories that could be inspiration for people to treat this. Also, with the discussions you have focused on letting people learn what to do when handling situations. Great information indeed. Hoping to hear more!

  65. Ichelle says:

    I go for long periods eating strictly vegan (cooked and raw), mostly low fat with flax oil. Then I get intense cravings for goat products (raw cheese mostly) and I give in to the cravings. I feel like it gives me something that a vegan diet just can’t mimic. Not sure what it is (possibly the fats?). The cravings go away and I eat vegan again. It’s usually a once a month experience.

  66. Ilona says:

    yes I had candida, from information from Donnas book I found out I was fat intolerant so I ate fat free version of her diet with low fat fish and dairy but because of the 80/20 rules could not get enough calories now I eat a cooked “starch”80 10 10 or 80 5 5 diet I works really well and I can eat a lot more without any candida ,but I don’t eat any overt fats!

  67. I’m so, so glad I found this post! I’ve just discovered that I have a candida problem as well, and I was vegetarian/vegan too. I agree that it’s not worth sacrificing your personal health to be vegan. I’m still on the cleanse/eat only meat and vegetables phase, and it’s making a huge difference. You can read more about my experiences on my blog, barefootbaker.blog.com!

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