Comments on: Which Are Better – Fermented Foods or Probiotics? – The Renegade Health Show Episode #298 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics Thu, 24 May 2012 22:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jeff http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-66730 Jeff Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:51:39 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-66730 Thanks for the pro-biotic or fermented foods episode! My wife makes a wonderful fermented cabbage with just cabbage, water and sea salt. That's really all you need. It compliments so many dishes. Thanks, too for the comment about fear of the swine flu and being educated! Loved it! Thanks. Thanks for the pro-biotic or fermented foods episode! My wife makes a wonderful fermented cabbage with just cabbage, water and sea salt. That’s really all you need. It compliments so many dishes. Thanks, too for the comment about fear of the swine flu and being educated! Loved it! Thanks.

]]> By: casey http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-36004 casey Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:24:41 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-36004 The best SuperFood and AntiCancer Rejuvinating Life Giving Foods have been made at home for thousands of years all over the world, that's how we all got here! We must learn from our ancestors and honor their time tested methods of health. No one had the money to run out and buy tiny bottles of magic pills way back when and THAT technology still exits today, no machine ( or propoganda ), only love can make the best food ever. SAUERKRAUT: Makes 1 quart. You will need: 1 medium cabbage, cored and shredded; 1 tablespoon caraway seeds; 1 tablespoon sea salt; 4 tablespoons whey (see page 87) if not available use an additional 1 tablespoon salt. In a bowl, mix cabbage with caraway seeds, sea salt and whey. Pound with a wooden pounder or a meat hammer for about 10 minutes to release juices. Place in a quart-sized, wide-mouth mason jar and press down firmly with a pounder or meat hammer until juices come to the top of the cabbage. The top of the cabbage should be at least 1 inch (2,5cm) below the top of the jar. Cover tightly and keep at room temperature for about 3 days before transferring to cold storage. The sauerkraut may be eaten immediately, but it improves with age. The recipe is from the Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats book by Sally Fallon. The best SuperFood and AntiCancer Rejuvinating Life Giving Foods have been made at home for thousands of years all over the world, that’s how we all got here! We must learn from our ancestors and honor their time tested methods of health. No one had the money to run out and buy tiny bottles of magic pills way back when and THAT technology still exits today, no machine ( or propoganda ), only love can make the best food ever.
SAUERKRAUT:
Makes 1 quart. You will need: 1 medium cabbage, cored and shredded; 1 tablespoon caraway seeds; 1 tablespoon sea salt; 4 tablespoons whey (see page 87) if not available use an additional 1 tablespoon salt.
In a bowl, mix cabbage with caraway seeds, sea salt and whey. Pound with a wooden pounder or a meat hammer for about 10 minutes to release juices. Place in a quart-sized, wide-mouth mason jar and press down firmly with a pounder or meat hammer until juices come to the top of the cabbage. The top of the cabbage should be at least 1 inch (2,5cm) below the top of the jar. Cover tightly and keep at room temperature for about 3 days before transferring to cold storage. The sauerkraut may be eaten immediately, but it improves with age.

The recipe is from the Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats book by Sally Fallon.

]]> By: Taarak http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-27083 Taarak Wed, 06 May 2009 17:44:42 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-27083 Correct me guys, but common sense tells me that the probiotics live bacteria are stored WITHOUT any foods provided to them. So they'll be starving & very soon attacked by bacteriphages (negative microvita) - killing them off slowly. This is how nature works. So what you are paying for may all be a colony of virally infected bacteria at best. So for probiotics I would recommend home made yogurt & fermented veggies/fruits But there again another level of refinement is due even for "traditionally fermented" foods. Would you want to eat yeast/ mold/ fungally fermented tempeh / beans / rice etc? Bacterial fermentation is the way to go. For ex. Miso can be fermented both ways. But natto is exclusively lacto-fermented. Raw foods anyways have probiotic bacteria on their skin. MicroVitaSuperDiet.com :) Correct me guys, but common sense tells me that the probiotics live bacteria are stored WITHOUT any foods provided to them. So they’ll be starving & very soon attacked by bacteriphages (negative microvita) – killing them off slowly. This is how nature works. So what you are paying for may all be a colony of virally infected bacteria at best.

So for probiotics I would recommend home made yogurt & fermented veggies/fruits But there again another level of refinement is due even for “traditionally fermented” foods. Would you want to eat yeast/ mold/ fungally fermented tempeh / beans / rice etc? Bacterial fermentation is the way to go. For ex. Miso can be fermented both ways. But natto is exclusively lacto-fermented.

Raw foods anyways have probiotic bacteria on their skin.

MicroVitaSuperDiet.com :)

]]> By: Michael http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-27002 Michael Tue, 05 May 2009 18:58:30 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-27002 I met a gentleman at a vegan potluck speak about his new live foods company called Zukay Live Foods. Zukay produces probiotic rich salsas and relishes. I sampled them and most tasted very good. Please visit http://www.zukay.com/ for more info about the company and its products. I met a gentleman at a vegan potluck speak about his new live foods company called Zukay Live Foods. Zukay produces probiotic rich salsas and relishes. I sampled them and most tasted very good. Please visit http://www.zukay.com/ for more info about the company and its products.

]]> By: LENORA http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26940 LENORA Tue, 05 May 2009 01:20:58 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26940 I love pickled purple cabbage, also, artichokes, both great on salads or as side dish. Thanks for keeping us informed on new things that are introduced in the world of raw. I love pickled purple cabbage, also, artichokes, both great on salads or as side dish.
Thanks for keeping us informed on new things that are introduced in the world of raw.

]]> By: amber http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26866 amber Mon, 04 May 2009 01:42:32 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26866 We have a great local kraut company here in Ashland, Oregon called Pickled Planet! They have a fabulous line of krauts: Beet Kraut (with caraway) Veda Kraut (with curry spices) Velvet Sea (seaweed, hijiki, arame, ginger, burdock) Dill E Gent (dill, garlic, coriander, pepper corn, mustard seed) Kim Chee (carrot, daikon, ginger, garlic) Great Plain http://www.pickledplanet.com I love to add sauerkraut to salads! Thank You for each and every show you present! Valuable information AND entertaining! I always look forward to watching your shows no matter what the topic! We have a great local kraut company here in Ashland, Oregon called Pickled Planet! They have a fabulous line of krauts:
Beet Kraut (with caraway)
Veda Kraut (with curry spices)
Velvet Sea (seaweed, hijiki, arame, ginger, burdock)
Dill E Gent (dill, garlic, coriander, pepper corn, mustard seed)
Kim Chee (carrot, daikon, ginger, garlic)
Great Plain
http://www.pickledplanet.com

I love to add sauerkraut to salads!

Thank You for each and every show you present! Valuable information AND entertaining! I always look forward to watching your shows no matter what the topic!

]]> By: Mike Snyder http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26754 Mike Snyder Sat, 02 May 2009 18:44:28 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26754 Hi Kevin and AnnMarie, I love sauerkraut and kimchi. I use both the Harsch Crock and the "Pickle, Sauerkraut, and KimChi Maker", available at http://store.TheRawDiet.com/sakicrpo.html Both tools make it easy to culture sauerkraut. I mix in all types of different herbs and spices with the cabbage. Some of my favorite ingredients in addition to cabbage are daikon radish, beet, carrot, caraway seeds, ginger, garlic, fennel, dill, onion, horseradish, hot peppers, Miso, and sea vegetables. More info on the Pickle and Sauerkraut Maker jar is available at http://store.TheRawDiet.com/pisaandkimch.html Hi Kevin and AnnMarie,

I love sauerkraut and kimchi. I use both the Harsch Crock and the “Pickle, Sauerkraut, and KimChi Maker”, available at
http://store.TheRawDiet.com/sakicrpo.html

Both tools make it easy to culture sauerkraut. I mix in all types of different herbs and spices with the cabbage.

Some of my favorite ingredients in addition to cabbage are daikon radish, beet, carrot, caraway seeds, ginger, garlic, fennel, dill, onion, horseradish, hot peppers, Miso, and sea vegetables.

More info on the Pickle and Sauerkraut Maker jar is available at
http://store.TheRawDiet.com/pisaandkimch.html

]]> By: Patty Dorn http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26750 Patty Dorn Sat, 02 May 2009 17:22:40 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26750 Hi Kevin - Thank you for all the fermented info !! But you just barely touched on the Chicha that you made with pineapple. Will you please give me more info on that? It sounds wonderful. I would love to make it. Thank you so much for all that you and Anne Marie offer to the raw community. Hi Kevin -
Thank you for all the fermented info !! But you just barely touched on the Chicha that you made with pineapple. Will you please give me more info on that? It sounds wonderful. I would love to make it.

Thank you so much for all that you and Anne Marie offer to the raw community.

]]> By: Mary Ellen Bieber http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26676 Mary Ellen Bieber Sat, 02 May 2009 02:43:58 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26676 hooray, solved the problem, was able to see episode #298. i used safari instead of firefox. guess firefox is having some problems. don't know how to share the ebook though? once i download it onto my computer can i then pass it on to someone or must it be done thru your system? hooray, solved the problem, was able to see episode #298. i used safari instead of firefox. guess firefox is having some problems. don’t know how to share the ebook though? once i download it onto my computer can i then pass it on to someone or must it be done thru your system?

]]> By: Brittni http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2009/04/30/which-are-better-fermented-foods-or-probiotics#comment-26664 Brittni Sat, 02 May 2009 01:23:18 +0000 http://renegadehealth.com/blog/?p=405#comment-26664 Theres much debate over the whole 'Candida' and 'fermented foods'. I personally think Its good to have fermented foods.(when you have candida) as it has not affected my candida issue adversely. in fact it seems to have helped clear it up. Fermented stuff has GOOD bacteria in it that EAT candida. Candida only eats sugar. and does not eat Bacteria or Other yeasts. so the Idea that fermented stuff would feed the yeast sounds 'fishy' to me. BUT it is possible. if you've had candida for a long time. that you could become sensitive to certain things (like fermented foods) or even develop an allergy! . in fact I got allergic to many different foods. including nuts and seeds. (I have now over come this 'allergy' and I don't have any problem eating soaked nuts and seeds now.) Sooo With the 'knowledge' I have at the moment. it does not look like fermented things are BAD for Candida Sufferers. (Only the candida itself. which can cause some discomfort due to 'die off') BUT if someone can give me some cold hard evidence. that the truth is otherwise.. I have my ears open! Theres much debate over the whole ‘Candida’ and ‘fermented foods’.

I personally think Its good to have fermented foods.(when you have candida) as it has not affected my candida issue adversely. in fact it seems to have helped clear it up.

Fermented stuff has GOOD bacteria in it that EAT candida. Candida only eats sugar. and does not eat Bacteria or Other yeasts. so the Idea that fermented stuff would feed the yeast sounds ‘fishy’ to me.

BUT it is possible. if you’ve had candida for a long time. that you could become sensitive to certain things (like fermented foods) or even develop an allergy! . in fact I got allergic to many different foods. including nuts and seeds. (I have now over come this ‘allergy’ and I don’t have any problem eating soaked nuts and seeds now.)

Sooo With the ‘knowledge’ I have at the moment. it does not look like fermented things are BAD for Candida Sufferers. (Only the candida itself. which can cause some discomfort due to ‘die off’)

BUT if someone can give me some cold hard evidence. that the truth is otherwise.. I have my ears open!

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